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		<title>By: kittenlover</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2007/04/06/fertility-treatment-to-be-rationed/comment-page-1/#comment-6992</link>
		<dc:creator>kittenlover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I are perfectly satisfied with no children, although we would love to have been able to have children.  I had Scarlet Fever when I was young which made me sterile.   I feel sorry for babies born premature by women who use IVF. Women who can&#039;t have children should be satisfied because it&#039;s Gods Will. He has His reasons.  There&#039;s hundreds of children to adopt, that need love and care. I have neices, nephews and a great niece that keep me full of joy.  I agree with you Ann-Marie. Some things aren&#039;t meant to be and that satisfies me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I are perfectly satisfied with no children, although we would love to have been able to have children.  I had Scarlet Fever when I was young which made me sterile.   I feel sorry for babies born premature by women who use IVF. Women who can&#8217;t have children should be satisfied because it&#8217;s Gods Will. He has His reasons.  There&#8217;s hundreds of children to adopt, that need love and care. I have neices, nephews and a great niece that keep me full of joy.  I agree with you Ann-Marie. Some things aren&#8217;t meant to be and that satisfies me!</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2007/04/06/fertility-treatment-to-be-rationed/comment-page-1/#comment-1615</link>
		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 00:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TT - Thanks - I would agree that all premi babies need extra care. As far as IVF babies are concerned, because they had no choice in the matter they have to have care - probably more so - and I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is the parents who know (or should know) the risks and go ahead regardless of what the babies will go through. I have no sympathy for them at all. My next post talks to that point.

Strawberry Muffin - welcome and thanks for dropping in and commenting. You&#039;ll be interested in reading my follow up article then.... where I make some suggestions as to their motivations. See if you can guess just what they might be ;-) .

Mercurior - thanks for posting these very interesting links! Very informative. The more I read things like this the more I find it hard to understand why women are encouraged to run risks of this kind.

Ann-Marie - &quot;Some things aren’t meant to be doesn’t always satisfy their curiosity, but it does satisfy me&quot;. 

I feel that is what&#039;s the most important - it has to be.  I also feel that those who question why a woman &lt;strong&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/strong&gt; pursue IVF is often very ignorant of what it actually entails. Which begs the question of why they would expect people to go through with it.

 I too feel that society is doing a disservice to infertile couples by pushing them down the path of IVF, particularly given the risks. It seems any other options are not even considered until fortunes have been spent on IVF, emotions are exhausted, relationships have been strained, dreams have died and everything else seems to have failed. Of course, there are huge fortunes being built on the IVF industry, which is probably why women are not discouraged.

I mention this in my follow up article which will publish tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TT &#8211; Thanks &#8211; I would agree that all premi babies need extra care. As far as IVF babies are concerned, because they had no choice in the matter they have to have care &#8211; probably more so &#8211; and I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is the parents who know (or should know) the risks and go ahead regardless of what the babies will go through. I have no sympathy for them at all. My next post talks to that point.</p>
<p>Strawberry Muffin &#8211; welcome and thanks for dropping in and commenting. You&#8217;ll be interested in reading my follow up article then&#8230;. where I make some suggestions as to their motivations. See if you can guess just what they might be <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
<p>Mercurior &#8211; thanks for posting these very interesting links! Very informative. The more I read things like this the more I find it hard to understand why women are encouraged to run risks of this kind.</p>
<p>Ann-Marie &#8211; &#8220;Some things aren’t meant to be doesn’t always satisfy their curiosity, but it does satisfy me&#8221;. </p>
<p>I feel that is what&#8217;s the most important &#8211; it has to be.  I also feel that those who question why a woman <strong>doesn&#8217;t</strong> pursue IVF is often very ignorant of what it actually entails. Which begs the question of why they would expect people to go through with it.</p>
<p> I too feel that society is doing a disservice to infertile couples by pushing them down the path of IVF, particularly given the risks. It seems any other options are not even considered until fortunes have been spent on IVF, emotions are exhausted, relationships have been strained, dreams have died and everything else seems to have failed. Of course, there are huge fortunes being built on the IVF industry, which is probably why women are not discouraged.</p>
<p>I mention this in my follow up article which will publish tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: mercurior</title>
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		<dc:creator>mercurior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One in 50 babies born through IVF in Australia is stillborn or dies within a ... and is slightly higher than the 18.7 deaths per 1000 IVF births in 2003

http://www.truthtv.org/newstext.asp?newsid=3177

some of the chemicals used to make multiple eggs,  they can kill you, its rare, but.. it can happen

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article605202.ece

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4440573.stm

Temilola Akinbolagbe, 33, from Plumstead, south London, collapsed at a bus stop after developing Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS). 

The potentially fatal form of the condition affects about one per cent of women undergoing IVF, although a less severe form is more common. 

Experts believe this was the first such death from OHSS in the UK. 

Mild and moderate forms of OHSS have been reported to affect up to 20% of women undergoing ovarian induction, which mimics the production of normal hormones.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One in 50 babies born through IVF in Australia is stillborn or dies within a &#8230; and is slightly higher than the 18.7 deaths per 1000 IVF births in 2003</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthtv.org/newstext.asp?newsid=3177">http://www.truthtv.org/newstext.asp?newsid=3177</a></p>
<p>some of the chemicals used to make multiple eggs,  they can kill you, its rare, but.. it can happen</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article605202.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article605202.ece</a></p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4440573.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4440573.stm</a></p>
<p>Temilola Akinbolagbe, 33, from Plumstead, south London, collapsed at a bus stop after developing Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS). </p>
<p>The potentially fatal form of the condition affects about one per cent of women undergoing IVF, although a less severe form is more common. </p>
<p>Experts believe this was the first such death from OHSS in the UK. </p>
<p>Mild and moderate forms of OHSS have been reported to affect up to 20% of women undergoing ovarian induction, which mimics the production of normal hormones.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne-Marie</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2007/04/06/fertility-treatment-to-be-rationed/comment-page-1/#comment-1610</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne-Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We didn&#039;t even know all the medical complications for the baby when we decided against IVF. I just knew that it would be terribly expensive, very invasive for my body, and that the actual pregnancy was potentially painful and risky. We decided not to go that route, that maybe there was a valid reason why trying to do something we couldn&#039;t achieve naturally was not a good option, and I&#039;ve found that we&#039;re quite happy with our lives as is. The fact that wanting to adopt was not tugging at us as a possibility also cemented my feeling that letting things unfold as they were was a good choice. I have a friend who chose IVF and another who adopted, and both of them went through some difficult times as a result of their decisions. I don&#039;t regret giving both options a pass, and though I seem to get more sympathy from people for &quot;not being able&quot;, they do often press me for reasons as to why I didn&#039;t follow through with adoption or IVF. Some things aren&#039;t meant to be doesn&#039;t always satisfy their curiosity, but it does satisfy me. I wish a lot of the infertile couples could realise that- it would possibly give them peace and allow them to pursue another direction in life, whether that&#039;s adoption or fostering or just enjoying each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We didn&#8217;t even know all the medical complications for the baby when we decided against IVF. I just knew that it would be terribly expensive, very invasive for my body, and that the actual pregnancy was potentially painful and risky. We decided not to go that route, that maybe there was a valid reason why trying to do something we couldn&#8217;t achieve naturally was not a good option, and I&#8217;ve found that we&#8217;re quite happy with our lives as is. The fact that wanting to adopt was not tugging at us as a possibility also cemented my feeling that letting things unfold as they were was a good choice. I have a friend who chose IVF and another who adopted, and both of them went through some difficult times as a result of their decisions. I don&#8217;t regret giving both options a pass, and though I seem to get more sympathy from people for &#8220;not being able&#8221;, they do often press me for reasons as to why I didn&#8217;t follow through with adoption or IVF. Some things aren&#8217;t meant to be doesn&#8217;t always satisfy their curiosity, but it does satisfy me. I wish a lot of the infertile couples could realise that- it would possibly give them peace and allow them to pursue another direction in life, whether that&#8217;s adoption or fostering or just enjoying each other.</p>
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		<title>By: strawberry muffin</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2007/04/06/fertility-treatment-to-be-rationed/comment-page-1/#comment-1605</link>
		<dc:creator>strawberry muffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 05:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is whether these desperate women even know &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; they want a child so badly. I get the feeling that they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is whether these desperate women even know <i>why</i> they want a child so badly. I get the feeling that they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Fertility Treatment To Be Rationed</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2007/04/06/fertility-treatment-to-be-rationed/comment-page-1/#comment-1601</link>
		<dc:creator>Fertility Treatment To Be Rationed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: timethief</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for another excellent post.  And like you: &quot;I must have missed the episode when having a child became a right or when it became a disease on the same level as cancer that necessitated freely available, tax-funded treatment.&quot;

I believe that a certain percentage of all premature babies continue to have medical problems that last a lifetime. And, although I do not resent in any way being taxed to fund the ongoing health problems of naturally conceived premature babies as they age from cradle to grave, I do not feel the same way about those conceived through IVF.  I&#039;m most certainly not advocating that publicly funded health care be withheld from them as obviously they had no choice in the matter but I&#039;m wondering if others feel the same way too.

P.S. WOW! An editing function for comments I&#039;m grinning from ear to ear. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for another excellent post.  And like you: &#8220;I must have missed the episode when having a child became a right or when it became a disease on the same level as cancer that necessitated freely available, tax-funded treatment.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe that a certain percentage of all premature babies continue to have medical problems that last a lifetime. And, although I do not resent in any way being taxed to fund the ongoing health problems of naturally conceived premature babies as they age from cradle to grave, I do not feel the same way about those conceived through IVF.  I&#8217;m most certainly not advocating that publicly funded health care be withheld from them as obviously they had no choice in the matter but I&#8217;m wondering if others feel the same way too.</p>
<p>P.S. WOW! An editing function for comments I&#8217;m grinning from ear to ear. <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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