This is always an interesting topic for our group; I know your words will be appreciated!

Cheers!

Stepher - I’s be honoured! Feel free to share with your CF group.. I hope something of the article will be helpful to them. And thanks for reading!

We have several members dealing w/the medical system right now and I think your words would be v. helpful.

Thanks for your consideration.

Steph

if i men see it one way is it any less valid, its the preception of the thing and men and women dont see the world in the same way.

i would love to see a permanent sterilisation procedure for men, like the pill, where it stops it, until you are ready if ever to had kids. thats the type of b/c i would love to see, should stop so many more accidental pregnancies, and the ruination of mens and womens lives.

and it would reduce the need for abortions, (thats what gets me hopping mad, these uber freaks are anti abortion, and yet they want to deny prevention due to religious beleifs. they cant have it both ways). if you wanted a child you would have to think about it, have a procedure, and your sorted..

but thats my view as a cf male.

As Debi says, it’s the couple’s choice.

And I don’t think it’s simply giving the responsibility to the man rather than the woman… I think the point is that men can share the responsibility for preventing unwanted pregnancies, where hitherto it had rested mainly on the woman whether this is by sterilization or the contraceptive pill. That’s the central point of the article that stood out for me. I think that younger men, if they want to be childfree, taking the decision and getting the procedure to make it permanent is a positive step.

Sean - giving perks to married people with children is definitely one of the ways to encourage women to have children to try and encourage them to keep breeding. France has done it quite successfully. Germany has had some success as well. In spite of this the birthrate is still falling.

who are the people most likely to vote, men are disenfranchised, older men are disillusioned because they have seen it all, the young men(18 plus here), do have ideals, but that usually gets destroyed.

but young women and women with children are predominantly the voters. so the governmental parties, give them more stuff, as a bribe.

look at the pressure groups, feminism who pushed to bring in domestic violence against WOMEN act, (never mentioning men suffering), title IX for sport, and so on, now the environmental brigade, they are pushing and being bribed by the current parties, by having carbon offsets etc..

of course i am a cynical person, but always follow the money. who really benefits, it doesnt hurt to have these children indoctrinated in the “modern” fambly ideals, that good old uncle sam will foot the bill (same with the UK as well), so long as they get a vote your vote..

look at the uber religious nuts, refusing birth control, in pharmacies, they are a powerful group, and they fund governments, they have a bigger say because the leader of the government at the moment is a uber religious freak himself.

The birthrate among the world’s industrialized nations has been falling steadily for quite some time; even in the United States, though immigration makes up for it in some respects. I know it’s a bit of a leap, but the notion of giving families and married couples tax advantages and preference in the US always makes me think the US tracks birthrates pretty closely. From a sociological point of view, it’s no mistake the bias against people who choose to be childless exists.

That and the American gov’t usually has some boogyman lined up to scare it’s people, be it the Axis in WW2, Communists and a nuclear threat in the Cold War, environmental collapse following the Cold War, and now the “war on terror”. Not to sound conspiratorial (and none of this really is), but it’s not that much a stretch the gov’t has its fingers in promoting procreation as well.

this is exactly what you were saying

http://www.reason.com/news/show/29035.html

What Pierce didn’t realize, and what nearly 10 million American men have discovered to their chagrin since the welfare reform legislation of 1996, is that when the government accuses you of fathering a child, no matter how flimsy the evidence, you are one month away from having your life wrecked. Federal law gives a man just 30 days to file a written challenge; if he doesn’t, he is presumed guilty. And once that steamroller of justice starts rolling, dozens of statutory lubricants help make it extremely difficult, and prohibitively expensive, to stop — even, in most cases, if there’s conclusive DNA proof that the man is not the child’s father
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i will probably have one, but only after rowan is sorted, her choice. i am a minor part in mens rights, and i have said men get the snip, if you have any doubts about the woman, dont do it. no sex without an overcoat, prevent it, and the snip is one of the best preventions.

Hmm…I wonder if the snip would even change anything…

but being a childfree man, and with a childfree woman, i get told i should be the only one to get the snip, that rowan shouldnt get a tubal, its a mans duty/responsibility to have the snip and leave the woman alone.

rowan has been told that she shouldnt have the tubal, because a man can have it easier, and simpler, maybe so, but thats my decision, just like having a tubal is her decision.

its a sort of giving the responsibility to the man, rather than some women taking charge of their own long term reproduction.

now rowan wants it done, i havent forced her, but she has said, if i want a vasectomy afterwards then thats my choice as its my body.

part of the reason why so many young men, have vasectomies, is, quite simple they have seen bad women, women who have oopsed men, used discarded condoms to get pregnant, and its getting into the mens minds its better to be safe than sorry, it does tar a lot of women with the same brush, but thats how its seen.

which would you rather have, 18-21 years of pain and suffering, or 3 days.. they are choosing 3 days.

i want rowan to have her tubal done first, why, because it will help her most of all, her fear of being pregnant, is high, so it will give her peace of mind, which at any price is worth having, so i am in a half selfish way to make my life easier, i am going to pay for half.. but mostly because she WANTS it with a passion.