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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/01/15/want-a-child-no-man-no-problem-knock-yourself-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14611</link>
		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She thinks she rocks but I see bitterness and twistedness and not a little envy. All she does is show her inability to respect anyone at all... because clearly she has zero self-self respect. I pity anyone who comes in contact with her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She thinks she rocks but I see bitterness and twistedness and not a little envy. All she does is show her inability to respect anyone at all&#8230; because clearly she has zero self-self respect. I pity anyone who comes in contact with her.</p>
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		<title>By: bconrad_0101</title>
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		<dc:creator>bconrad_0101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She Rocks, 
Your point of view has the humanity of... a pile of rocks.
Reading this made me feel grateful once more that I can love my man for the mind and soul mate that he is, not the sperm donor I don&#039;t need him to be.
Enjoy your world where men &quot;think&quot; with their penis and women with their ovaries, but I got news for you, not everybody wants to be a part of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She Rocks,<br />
Your point of view has the humanity of&#8230; a pile of rocks.<br />
Reading this made me feel grateful once more that I can love my man for the mind and soul mate that he is, not the sperm donor I don&#8217;t need him to be.<br />
Enjoy your world where men &#8220;think&#8221; with their penis and women with their ovaries, but I got news for you, not everybody wants to be a part of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Feh</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/01/15/want-a-child-no-man-no-problem-knock-yourself-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14609</link>
		<dc:creator>Feh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She Rocks,
From your post I can say with all certainty, you are a horrible waste of skin, pure and simple.  You don&#039;t even know what a human is.  All you see are sperm, eggs, wombs with legs and wallets.   What a horrific life you must have, being unable to actually respect and connect with any human who you haven&#039;t pushed out your vagina.  Enjoy your lonely life, because no rational and self respecting person would have any time for a skin sack like yourself...including your children, should they be strong enough to develop a sense of self-respect on their own.

Then again, you are so self absorbed you probably don&#039;t miss much when it comes to human relations anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She Rocks,<br />
From your post I can say with all certainty, you are a horrible waste of skin, pure and simple.  You don&#8217;t even know what a human is.  All you see are sperm, eggs, wombs with legs and wallets.   What a horrific life you must have, being unable to actually respect and connect with any human who you haven&#8217;t pushed out your vagina.  Enjoy your lonely life, because no rational and self respecting person would have any time for a skin sack like yourself&#8230;including your children, should they be strong enough to develop a sense of self-respect on their own.</p>
<p>Then again, you are so self absorbed you probably don&#8217;t miss much when it comes to human relations anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: CFSinceSix</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/01/15/want-a-child-no-man-no-problem-knock-yourself-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14605</link>
		<dc:creator>CFSinceSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the previous poster: not all women want babies. There are some women who want men for their companionship and presence, and not merely as &quot;sperm donors.&quot; I know I want my partner not just because he can provide me sperm. Hell, I don&#039;t *want* his sperm. I want his companionship, love, friendship.

You don&#039;t &quot;rock.&quot; Women who rock treat men with respect and dignity - as human beings, and not merely sperm donors or walking wallets. (I am a woman.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the previous poster: not all women want babies. There are some women who want men for their companionship and presence, and not merely as &#8220;sperm donors.&#8221; I know I want my partner not just because he can provide me sperm. Hell, I don&#8217;t *want* his sperm. I want his companionship, love, friendship.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t &#8220;rock.&#8221; Women who rock treat men with respect and dignity &#8211; as human beings, and not merely sperm donors or walking wallets. (I am a woman.)</p>
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		<title>By: She Rocks!</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/01/15/want-a-child-no-man-no-problem-knock-yourself-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14596</link>
		<dc:creator>She Rocks!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on her! At least she&#039;s not putting her children through the trauma of divorce when loser dads (and lets face it, most dads are losers once children come along, sex goes out the window, and they become jealous of the attention their baby gets - if they&#039;re not wife beaters, child molesters, and corporate thieves to begin with) take off to chase some skirt. 

What do dads do besides earn money, come home to be taken care of by mummy, refuse to grow up, and chase skirt? Hmmm? Sorry boys, but if you want your place in the world of fatherhood, you have to earn it.  Oh -- and if you have babies, yes, you should pay for them! You don&#039;t just get to rent them in return for having some sex with a woman while she&#039;s still your wife -- and then refuse to pay for them when you divorce because your ego&#039;s bruised and you can&#039;t get sex.  Which reminds me -- have you forgotten that sex begets children? If you don&#039;t want kids, keep it in your pants. Or take responsibility for contraception yourself! Of course women will trick you into babies -- just like you trick us into having sex. Biological urges are fierce, doncha know? 

We&#039;ve always wanted your babies more than we&#039;ve wanted you: men want women, and women want babies. It&#039;s time men woke up to the fact that our urge for babies is as strong, if not stronger, as your urge for sex. Duh - that&#039;s what keeps the human race alive. That&#039;s why women primarily marry, you fools, so of course they&#039;re sizing you up as a glorified sperm donor (a.k.a. &quot;father&quot;) from the minute they meet you. The biological clock isn&#039;t a fear of wrinkles; it&#039;s a body craving a baby -- yes, like a junkie. And that&#039;s why they care about the size of your wallet - like it or not, a woman is physically dependent on a man for some of the time she&#039;s pregnant and breastfeeding. She can&#039;t earn with ease! I&#039;m sick of little boys bleating on about women wanting babies instead of them. It&#039;s always been that way! You get sex and your ego boosted in return! The difference is, now that marriage is hard to obtain, we&#039;re not supposed to tell you. How many books are there on the market that tell us this? We&#039;re supposed to downplay it in order not to make you run! Duh. Just like all your books tell you how to manipulate women into having sex by yeah, downplaying it in order not to make us run.

As for the argument that a single woman is sooooooooo selfish for having a child because she wants one - um, why do married women have children? Oh, that&#039;s right, as &quot;an expression of their love&quot; (a.k.a. because they want one.) Sure, they can sugarcoat their biological urge in altruistic motives, but essentially, we all want babies because...we do. Personally, I believe many, many women will end up having babies on their own. And I applaud them. They can afford it (sperm donors are legally protected from providing child support payments) and they&#039;re usually highly educated -- not like the trash posting here. Miserable women who married men they only pretended to like in order to get knocked up (and there are loads of you out there, but I promise I won’t tell your spouse), foolish egotistical men who&#039;ve only just realised that the world doesn&#039;t revolve around them, and narrowminded bible bashers might not like it, but I don&#039;t see how making a conscious decision to love another human being concerns anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on her! At least she&#8217;s not putting her children through the trauma of divorce when loser dads (and lets face it, most dads are losers once children come along, sex goes out the window, and they become jealous of the attention their baby gets &#8211; if they&#8217;re not wife beaters, child molesters, and corporate thieves to begin with) take off to chase some skirt. </p>
<p>What do dads do besides earn money, come home to be taken care of by mummy, refuse to grow up, and chase skirt? Hmmm? Sorry boys, but if you want your place in the world of fatherhood, you have to earn it.  Oh &#8212; and if you have babies, yes, you should pay for them! You don&#8217;t just get to rent them in return for having some sex with a woman while she&#8217;s still your wife &#8212; and then refuse to pay for them when you divorce because your ego&#8217;s bruised and you can&#8217;t get sex.  Which reminds me &#8212; have you forgotten that sex begets children? If you don&#8217;t want kids, keep it in your pants. Or take responsibility for contraception yourself! Of course women will trick you into babies &#8212; just like you trick us into having sex. Biological urges are fierce, doncha know? </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve always wanted your babies more than we&#8217;ve wanted you: men want women, and women want babies. It&#8217;s time men woke up to the fact that our urge for babies is as strong, if not stronger, as your urge for sex. Duh &#8211; that&#8217;s what keeps the human race alive. That&#8217;s why women primarily marry, you fools, so of course they&#8217;re sizing you up as a glorified sperm donor (a.k.a. &#8220;father&#8221;) from the minute they meet you. The biological clock isn&#8217;t a fear of wrinkles; it&#8217;s a body craving a baby &#8212; yes, like a junkie. And that&#8217;s why they care about the size of your wallet &#8211; like it or not, a woman is physically dependent on a man for some of the time she&#8217;s pregnant and breastfeeding. She can&#8217;t earn with ease! I&#8217;m sick of little boys bleating on about women wanting babies instead of them. It&#8217;s always been that way! You get sex and your ego boosted in return! The difference is, now that marriage is hard to obtain, we&#8217;re not supposed to tell you. How many books are there on the market that tell us this? We&#8217;re supposed to downplay it in order not to make you run! Duh. Just like all your books tell you how to manipulate women into having sex by yeah, downplaying it in order not to make us run.</p>
<p>As for the argument that a single woman is sooooooooo selfish for having a child because she wants one &#8211; um, why do married women have children? Oh, that&#8217;s right, as &#8220;an expression of their love&#8221; (a.k.a. because they want one.) Sure, they can sugarcoat their biological urge in altruistic motives, but essentially, we all want babies because&#8230;we do. Personally, I believe many, many women will end up having babies on their own. And I applaud them. They can afford it (sperm donors are legally protected from providing child support payments) and they&#8217;re usually highly educated &#8212; not like the trash posting here. Miserable women who married men they only pretended to like in order to get knocked up (and there are loads of you out there, but I promise I won’t tell your spouse), foolish egotistical men who&#8217;ve only just realised that the world doesn&#8217;t revolve around them, and narrowminded bible bashers might not like it, but I don&#8217;t see how making a conscious decision to love another human being concerns anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: og217</title>
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		<dc:creator>og217</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just appaled at the people who come after sperm donors for money and &quot;fatherly relationships.&quot;  I mean, where are morals and decency?  I read an article recently about some 19-year-old who managed to find her sperm donor and ruin his marriage and the lives of his children with her retarded presence.  She called and came around and the poor man was so shocked, and didnt want to be rude and say, You&#039;re a nothing, I masturbated in a cup, I have no interest in playing family with you - i have one!  His wife couldn&#039;t tolerate it, and felt slighted, that now some sperm donation was on par with her kids and an equal &quot;family member.&quot;  I am sure this donation is going to be asking for college money and her &quot;share&quot; of inheritance.  Its just appalling.  Her imbecile mother will probably sue him for back child support.  It&#039;s madness.  I considered egg donation in my &quot;poor student&quot; days and am so glad I didn&#039;t do it - I wouldn&#039;t want some entitled-feeling brat showing up at my door demanding money and a relationship.  Ugh.  Ungrateful, awful people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just appaled at the people who come after sperm donors for money and &#8220;fatherly relationships.&#8221;  I mean, where are morals and decency?  I read an article recently about some 19-year-old who managed to find her sperm donor and ruin his marriage and the lives of his children with her retarded presence.  She called and came around and the poor man was so shocked, and didnt want to be rude and say, You&#8217;re a nothing, I masturbated in a cup, I have no interest in playing family with you &#8211; i have one!  His wife couldn&#8217;t tolerate it, and felt slighted, that now some sperm donation was on par with her kids and an equal &#8220;family member.&#8221;  I am sure this donation is going to be asking for college money and her &#8220;share&#8221; of inheritance.  Its just appalling.  Her imbecile mother will probably sue him for back child support.  It&#8217;s madness.  I considered egg donation in my &#8220;poor student&#8221; days and am so glad I didn&#8217;t do it &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t want some entitled-feeling brat showing up at my door demanding money and a relationship.  Ugh.  Ungrateful, awful people.</p>
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		<title>By: mercurior</title>
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		<dc:creator>mercurior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it isnt him she was thinking of,  it was her needs for a child.  Forget everyone else. forget the mans rights to know the child. its all about the empowered woman. getting what she wants.. regardless of the outcome</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it isnt him she was thinking of,  it was her needs for a child.  Forget everyone else. forget the mans rights to know the child. its all about the empowered woman. getting what she wants.. regardless of the outcome</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How will little Scott feel when he is old enough to read his mothers book, which describes his conception as &quot;knocking yourself up&quot;? I wonder if she ever gave it a thought, how to explain to him how funny the book is. Maybe Scott doesn`t have the right to a father, but what about his right to a little bit of human dignity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How will little Scott feel when he is old enough to read his mothers book, which describes his conception as &#8220;knocking yourself up&#8221;? I wonder if she ever gave it a thought, how to explain to him how funny the book is. Maybe Scott doesn`t have the right to a father, but what about his right to a little bit of human dignity?</p>
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		<title>By: CFSinceSix</title>
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		<dc:creator>CFSinceSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I managed to get to your site, Ms. Sloan. And I wanted to vomit.

I read an excerpt, how becoming pregnant was just a &quot;matter of logistics,&quot; ad nauseum.

I feel sorry for your children, having you women as their mothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I managed to get to your site, Ms. Sloan. And I wanted to vomit.</p>
<p>I read an excerpt, how becoming pregnant was just a &#8220;matter of logistics,&#8221; ad nauseum.</p>
<p>I feel sorry for your children, having you women as their mothers.</p>
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		<title>By: CFSinceSix</title>
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		<dc:creator>CFSinceSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louise Sloan, I certainly hope you are reading this.

HOW DARE YOU assume that a child not want a father. Britgirl said this, and I quote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Right. But he does have a dad. Or at least maybe he would have liked the choice to have a Dad. Perhaps the deliberately “sans father” kids will let you know when they get old enough.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

She is absolutely correct. It would have been nice to have a choice on that matter.

My mother was a single mother - but through divorce, not because she selfishly needed a BAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYBEEEEEEEEEEE. Her original intent was to stay married. But things didn&#039;t work out. That I can get.

My father decided not to be in my life. That *choice* of having a father in MY life was taken away from me. It PAINS me to see shows where fathers are passing on fatherly advice to their daughters. It just about KILLS me. Growing up, all my friends and cousins had their dads in their lives. I was the only kid without a father. (This was in the 70&#039;s &amp; 80&#039;s.)  And I felt like a freak. It never occurred to me that fathers should be in their children&#039;s lives until I was older and I could see I was the only one without a dad.

Nice.

I guess the only difference between me and your current child is that so many women are opting for the sperm donor route atleast your kid will have other fatherless children to relate to. 

I don&#039;t like to mention that my dad left when I was 2 1/2yrs because so many people, when finding out about my father and me being CF they assume I don&#039;t want children because I&#039;m afraid the father will leave. I want to say that is NOT true. I&#039;ve just NEVER wanted kids.

That being said, I&#039;ll speak as an only (not &quot;lonely!&quot; I was never lonely) child without a father: It sucks. It sucked hard. I&#039;ll never know how much easier my life could have been had he paid his damn child support. Or what it feels like to be loved by a man unconditionally. Because yes, that is what fathers *do* for their little girls. (I can&#039;t speak as a boy. Obviously.)

I know what happened. Last November, after 39 years, I was contacted by my father. I don&#039;t even call him my father because he went away, so the *circumstances* and *cause* between me and your child will be different, but there result is the same: growing up fatherless. It pains me, to this day, 2-3 months later thinking about how he stuck around to care for his two other children after having been remarried after leaving me and my mother. (Although she divorced him. He did not stick around.)

I was watching Snoop Dogg&#039;s show, &quot;Father Hood&quot; a couple of weeks ago and he was having a moment with his daughter about how to start her singing career. I cried. I had to turn away because I ached for that as a child. I could see how my uncles treated, nutured, reared, and loved their daughers - my cousins. Or my female friends. Or how male cousins or male friends had special relationships with their fathers. Even my boyfriend. And a part of me envies that.

You think about denying your child the love, affection, attention, education, nuturing, etc. that you are denying your child by not having his father around. And don&#039;t give me that lame, &quot;But I have male friends who can give my child all that and be a role model&quot; bullshit. Because it is NOT the same. I had male role models, my uncles.

But. IT IS NOT THE SAME.

Selfish breeder bitches like you are pathetic. Atleast you got what you wanted, regardless of the long term consequences are not just to your child, but to the man who you used to get sperm. It is no longer about you. It is about your child now.

BTW, I tried going to your site. It&#039;s down. It wont&#039; change my mind anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louise Sloan, I certainly hope you are reading this.</p>
<p>HOW DARE YOU assume that a child not want a father. Britgirl said this, and I quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Right. But he does have a dad. Or at least maybe he would have liked the choice to have a Dad. Perhaps the deliberately “sans father” kids will let you know when they get old enough.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>She is absolutely correct. It would have been nice to have a choice on that matter.</p>
<p>My mother was a single mother &#8211; but through divorce, not because she selfishly needed a BAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYBEEEEEEEEEEE. Her original intent was to stay married. But things didn&#8217;t work out. That I can get.</p>
<p>My father decided not to be in my life. That *choice* of having a father in MY life was taken away from me. It PAINS me to see shows where fathers are passing on fatherly advice to their daughters. It just about KILLS me. Growing up, all my friends and cousins had their dads in their lives. I was the only kid without a father. (This was in the 70&#8217;s &amp; 80&#8217;s.)  And I felt like a freak. It never occurred to me that fathers should be in their children&#8217;s lives until I was older and I could see I was the only one without a dad.</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
<p>I guess the only difference between me and your current child is that so many women are opting for the sperm donor route atleast your kid will have other fatherless children to relate to. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like to mention that my dad left when I was 2 1/2yrs because so many people, when finding out about my father and me being CF they assume I don&#8217;t want children because I&#8217;m afraid the father will leave. I want to say that is NOT true. I&#8217;ve just NEVER wanted kids.</p>
<p>That being said, I&#8217;ll speak as an only (not &#8220;lonely!&#8221; I was never lonely) child without a father: It sucks. It sucked hard. I&#8217;ll never know how much easier my life could have been had he paid his damn child support. Or what it feels like to be loved by a man unconditionally. Because yes, that is what fathers *do* for their little girls. (I can&#8217;t speak as a boy. Obviously.)</p>
<p>I know what happened. Last November, after 39 years, I was contacted by my father. I don&#8217;t even call him my father because he went away, so the *circumstances* and *cause* between me and your child will be different, but there result is the same: growing up fatherless. It pains me, to this day, 2-3 months later thinking about how he stuck around to care for his two other children after having been remarried after leaving me and my mother. (Although she divorced him. He did not stick around.)</p>
<p>I was watching Snoop Dogg&#8217;s show, &#8220;Father Hood&#8221; a couple of weeks ago and he was having a moment with his daughter about how to start her singing career. I cried. I had to turn away because I ached for that as a child. I could see how my uncles treated, nutured, reared, and loved their daughers &#8211; my cousins. Or my female friends. Or how male cousins or male friends had special relationships with their fathers. Even my boyfriend. And a part of me envies that.</p>
<p>You think about denying your child the love, affection, attention, education, nuturing, etc. that you are denying your child by not having his father around. And don&#8217;t give me that lame, &#8220;But I have male friends who can give my child all that and be a role model&#8221; bullshit. Because it is NOT the same. I had male role models, my uncles.</p>
<p>But. IT IS NOT THE SAME.</p>
<p>Selfish breeder bitches like you are pathetic. Atleast you got what you wanted, regardless of the long term consequences are not just to your child, but to the man who you used to get sperm. It is no longer about you. It is about your child now.</p>
<p>BTW, I tried going to your site. It&#8217;s down. It wont&#8217; change my mind anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update - I visited your site, which to your credit has all the media coverage (including the Times article) along with the interestingly titled chapters of your book.

 One thing is very clear - it isn&#039;t about the child&#039;s needs, it&#039;s about you or other women having something that THEY want - a baby - regardless of the childs needs and regardless of the fact that actually the child does have a right to have a father not just be an offshoot of a sperm dump.  Or, let me put it another way, after consideration of the child&#039;s needs the need to mother overrides them every time. So, child on a whim? No. It&#039;s very deliberate.

With articles titled &quot;are Fathers Getting Obsolete?&quot; - perhaps that&#039;s one only you can answer. Your response below in one of the articles  (unless these are words put into your mouth) is interesting indeed...

She finally settled on, &quot;Scott doesn&#039;t have a dad; I had him on my own.&quot; &quot;It lets folks know the unusual answer in a gentler way. Then if they want to know more, I can go into the donor story.&quot; 
Right. But he does have a dad. Or at least maybe he would have liked the choice to have a Dad. Perhaps the deliberately &quot;sans father&quot; kids will let you know when they get old enough.

So, while the US articles may have been &quot;gentler&quot; on you than the UK press, from what I can see much of the same stuff appears in the publicity from both sided of the pond.

I&#039;m yet to read anything that changes what I thought when I read the article in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update &#8211; I visited your site, which to your credit has all the media coverage (including the Times article) along with the interestingly titled chapters of your book.</p>
<p> One thing is very clear &#8211; it isn&#8217;t about the child&#8217;s needs, it&#8217;s about you or other women having something that THEY want &#8211; a baby &#8211; regardless of the childs needs and regardless of the fact that actually the child does have a right to have a father not just be an offshoot of a sperm dump.  Or, let me put it another way, after consideration of the child&#8217;s needs the need to mother overrides them every time. So, child on a whim? No. It&#8217;s very deliberate.</p>
<p>With articles titled &#8220;are Fathers Getting Obsolete?&#8221; &#8211; perhaps that&#8217;s one only you can answer. Your response below in one of the articles  (unless these are words put into your mouth) is interesting indeed&#8230;</p>
<p>She finally settled on, &#8220;Scott doesn&#8217;t have a dad; I had him on my own.&#8221; &#8220;It lets folks know the unusual answer in a gentler way. Then if they want to know more, I can go into the donor story.&#8221;<br />
Right. But he does have a dad. Or at least maybe he would have liked the choice to have a Dad. Perhaps the deliberately &#8220;sans father&#8221; kids will let you know when they get old enough.</p>
<p>So, while the US articles may have been &#8220;gentler&#8221; on you than the UK press, from what I can see much of the same stuff appears in the publicity from both sided of the pond.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m yet to read anything that changes what I thought when I read the article in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 04:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louise - First and foremost my article  is my opinion based on the linked to article. If the media misquoted you a) that&#039;s for you to sort out with them and b) there&#039;s no way anyone knows that - except you. 

Frankly I wasn&#039;t interested enough to read your book - and who said anything about firm conclusions?  My opinion is based on the article about you (which I had imagined you&#039;d given your permission for them to print anyway).  I assume you wrote to the Editor complaining about the wrong type of exposure right? And as for feeling the &quot;need &quot;to &quot;attack the choices of others...&quot; spare me. We&#039;re still entitled to have whatever opinion we want to have. And for the record since it&#039;s my blog I can write whatever I please here.

I will have a look at your site - and I&#039;ll see if it does anything to change my opinion about engineering  deliberate single motherhood, with the kids sans pere, or my commentary on your media write up. But I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louise &#8211; First and foremost my article  is my opinion based on the linked to article. If the media misquoted you a) that&#8217;s for you to sort out with them and b) there&#8217;s no way anyone knows that &#8211; except you. </p>
<p>Frankly I wasn&#8217;t interested enough to read your book &#8211; and who said anything about firm conclusions?  My opinion is based on the article about you (which I had imagined you&#8217;d given your permission for them to print anyway).  I assume you wrote to the Editor complaining about the wrong type of exposure right? And as for feeling the &#8220;need &#8220;to &#8220;attack the choices of others&#8230;&#8221; spare me. We&#8217;re still entitled to have whatever opinion we want to have. And for the record since it&#8217;s my blog I can write whatever I please here.</p>
<p>I will have a look at your site &#8211; and I&#8217;ll see if it does anything to change my opinion about engineering  deliberate single motherhood, with the kids sans pere, or my commentary on your media write up. But I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise Sloan</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/01/15/want-a-child-no-man-no-problem-knock-yourself-up/comment-page-1/#comment-12360</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise Sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there--
I would sure appreciate it if you&#039;d actually read my book or at least spend some time on my website, www.knockyourselfup.com, before trashing me. I have not been happy with really any of the UK press I have gotten--one of the writers didn&#039;t even interview me, and made up quotes! Do you really think you can form firm conclusions about someone based on what some journalist chose to quote her as saying? (Even the ones who interviewed me put some of my statements in their own words, not mine! As a careful reporter myself, I&#039;ve been astounded at the sloppiness!)
You may still disagree with my choice after reading my book, but you won&#039;t be able to say I had a child on a whim, or that I thought nothing about the child&#039;s needs and rights, or that I don&#039;t think fathers are important. 
And besides, I think it&#039;s ridiculous that those who choose to be child-free are labeled &quot;selfish.&quot; I think it&#039;s MUCH more selfish to have kids because it&#039;s what everyone else does, and then realize, oops, I don&#039;t really like kids. There are way too many &quot;traditional families&quot; like that. It&#039;s not selfish AT ALL to be child-free if you don&#039;t want kids. But why, having had the experience of  being attacked, do you feel the need to attack the choices of others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there&#8211;<br />
I would sure appreciate it if you&#8217;d actually read my book or at least spend some time on my website, <a href="http://www.knockyourselfup.com">http://www.knockyourselfup.com</a>, before trashing me. I have not been happy with really any of the UK press I have gotten&#8211;one of the writers didn&#8217;t even interview me, and made up quotes! Do you really think you can form firm conclusions about someone based on what some journalist chose to quote her as saying? (Even the ones who interviewed me put some of my statements in their own words, not mine! As a careful reporter myself, I&#8217;ve been astounded at the sloppiness!)<br />
You may still disagree with my choice after reading my book, but you won&#8217;t be able to say I had a child on a whim, or that I thought nothing about the child&#8217;s needs and rights, or that I don&#8217;t think fathers are important.<br />
And besides, I think it&#8217;s ridiculous that those who choose to be child-free are labeled &#8220;selfish.&#8221; I think it&#8217;s MUCH more selfish to have kids because it&#8217;s what everyone else does, and then realize, oops, I don&#8217;t really like kids. There are way too many &#8220;traditional families&#8221; like that. It&#8217;s not selfish AT ALL to be child-free if you don&#8217;t want kids. But why, having had the experience of  being attacked, do you feel the need to attack the choices of others?</p>
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		<title>By: Mazie</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/01/15/want-a-child-no-man-no-problem-knock-yourself-up/comment-page-1/#comment-12081</link>
		<dc:creator>Mazie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went through several IUI procedures and I must admit, it was weird, disorienting, and ultimately sad. I remember thinking as I lay there on this cold table &quot;Gee, if this works, how will I explain to this child how they were conceived?&quot; and it all seemed so odd and NOT what I wanted. Turned out it was not what my husband wanted either! We both found it a very unpleasant experience, and we discussed it at great length and took it very seriously. What bothers me most about the whole &quot;turkey baster&quot; thing is the cavalier attitude behind it all, as if these women just decided to do this &quot;kid thing&quot; on a whim. I truly believe that the insane focus on babies in Hollywood is contributing in great measure to this desire to &quot;get a baby&quot; in any way possible. Yuck, the whole thing is just so distasteful and it makes me wonder what kind of parents these people will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went through several IUI procedures and I must admit, it was weird, disorienting, and ultimately sad. I remember thinking as I lay there on this cold table &#8220;Gee, if this works, how will I explain to this child how they were conceived?&#8221; and it all seemed so odd and NOT what I wanted. Turned out it was not what my husband wanted either! We both found it a very unpleasant experience, and we discussed it at great length and took it very seriously. What bothers me most about the whole &#8220;turkey baster&#8221; thing is the cavalier attitude behind it all, as if these women just decided to do this &#8220;kid thing&#8221; on a whim. I truly believe that the insane focus on babies in Hollywood is contributing in great measure to this desire to &#8220;get a baby&#8221; in any way possible. Yuck, the whole thing is just so distasteful and it makes me wonder what kind of parents these people will be.</p>
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		<title>By: mercurior</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/01/15/want-a-child-no-man-no-problem-knock-yourself-up/comment-page-1/#comment-12061</link>
		<dc:creator>mercurior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>theres even questions about fatherless children, and i mean no need for sperm at all.

yes they can create embryos out of 2 sets of female dna.

they actually can choose the sex of a child in some european countries (italy)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-2505381,00.html

The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) wouldn’t let them try sex selection here, so they tried — albeit without success — in Italy. However, they still believe that they were right, that people should be able to balance their families, and that all it does is bring much-wanted children into the world (as opposed to the thousands born “naturally”, but unwanted every year). 

it could in the worse case be like it is in india, where girls can be killed for being a girl, this is admittedly worse case</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theres even questions about fatherless children, and i mean no need for sperm at all.</p>
<p>yes they can create embryos out of 2 sets of female dna.</p>
<p>they actually can choose the sex of a child in some european countries (italy)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-2505381,00.html">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-2505381,00.html</a></p>
<p>The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) wouldn’t let them try sex selection here, so they tried — albeit without success — in Italy. However, they still believe that they were right, that people should be able to balance their families, and that all it does is bring much-wanted children into the world (as opposed to the thousands born “naturally”, but unwanted every year). </p>
<p>it could in the worse case be like it is in india, where girls can be killed for being a girl, this is admittedly worse case</p>
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		<title>By: RMS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have to wonder what this negative attitude towards men would mean if these breeders&#039; children turn out to be boys. How would these breeders feel if their sons were viewed only as sperm donors? Even worse, will they teach this misguided, negative attitude to their daughters? Both boys and girls need a father in their lives; boys to learn how to be a decent man and girls to learn what decent treatment is from a decent man. How will either learn these important lessons without a positive male figure in their lives? 

Like my fellow posters here, I can&#039;t stop shaking my head and shuddering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have to wonder what this negative attitude towards men would mean if these breeders&#8217; children turn out to be boys. How would these breeders feel if their sons were viewed only as sperm donors? Even worse, will they teach this misguided, negative attitude to their daughters? Both boys and girls need a father in their lives; boys to learn how to be a decent man and girls to learn what decent treatment is from a decent man. How will either learn these important lessons without a positive male figure in their lives? </p>
<p>Like my fellow posters here, I can&#8217;t stop shaking my head and shuddering.</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sloan&#039;s entire attitude made me cringe on so many levels. The way she dismissed the men like so much loo paper - except for their attributes. The even colder way she dismissed the child&#039;s need for a father.  I read that article searching for some caring phrase where she actually showed (or pretended) she gave a damn about the needs of the child. There was none. And why? Because she wants a child?  Obviously the only person she considers has any rights is her selfish self... certainly her child doesn&#039;t. Just wait til it&#039;s 16... by then the donor rules will be wide open and then kids going in search of Dad. She&#039;ll probably be encouraging him to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sloan&#8217;s entire attitude made me cringe on so many levels. The way she dismissed the men like so much loo paper &#8211; except for their attributes. The even colder way she dismissed the child&#8217;s need for a father.  I read that article searching for some caring phrase where she actually showed (or pretended) she gave a damn about the needs of the child. There was none. And why? Because she wants a child?  Obviously the only person she considers has any rights is her selfish self&#8230; certainly her child doesn&#8217;t. Just wait til it&#8217;s 16&#8230; by then the donor rules will be wide open and then kids going in search of Dad. She&#8217;ll probably be encouraging him to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Hillari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve long been digusted with the attitudes of a lot of teenaged girls and adult women who are hellbent on having children out of wedlock simply because they want kids.  They allow an obsessive longing for a child to overwhelm their common sense. What happened to waiting for the right person to come along, and sharing the responsibility and care of the kids with them?  Where do these women get off thinking that society should accept their stupid decision or take on the burden of them and their kids when things go wrong down the line?

As for the treatment of men as disposable sperm donors, it&#039;s deplorable.  Hey, men get on my nerves from time to time, but I&#039;ll never go around declaring that they are obsolete.  It&#039;s very disturbing that these single women by choice will send that message to any sons they may have.

Is this these females idea of being &quot;superwoman&quot; and &quot;empowered&quot;?  Sounds more like the females are woefully misguided and mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve long been digusted with the attitudes of a lot of teenaged girls and adult women who are hellbent on having children out of wedlock simply because they want kids.  They allow an obsessive longing for a child to overwhelm their common sense. What happened to waiting for the right person to come along, and sharing the responsibility and care of the kids with them?  Where do these women get off thinking that society should accept their stupid decision or take on the burden of them and their kids when things go wrong down the line?</p>
<p>As for the treatment of men as disposable sperm donors, it&#8217;s deplorable.  Hey, men get on my nerves from time to time, but I&#8217;ll never go around declaring that they are obsolete.  It&#8217;s very disturbing that these single women by choice will send that message to any sons they may have.</p>
<p>Is this these females idea of being &#8220;superwoman&#8221; and &#8220;empowered&#8221;?  Sounds more like the females are woefully misguided and mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: Decided</title>
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		<dc:creator>Decided</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*

Just because you want something, it doesn&#039;t mean you should get it.

*shakes head*

I&#039;ll never ever ever understand how someone can desire a child when they cannot provide anything above overwhelming disadvantage.

*shrugs*

I know that they say that they don&#039;t feel &quot;complete&quot; until they have children.

I think that&#039;s sad.....

Self-worth and self confidence comes from the self!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>Just because you want something, it doesn&#8217;t mean you should get it.</p>
<p>*shakes head*</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll never ever ever understand how someone can desire a child when they cannot provide anything above overwhelming disadvantage.</p>
<p>*shrugs*</p>
<p>I know that they say that they don&#8217;t feel &#8220;complete&#8221; until they have children.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s sad&#8230;..</p>
<p>Self-worth and self confidence comes from the self!!</p>
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		<title>By: Feh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes us think, but breeders never think.  It&#039;s just I want, and will do anything to get what I want.   And folks say junkies are bad?  All they&#039;re doing is trying to stave off sickness...this is much, much worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes us think, but breeders never think.  It&#8217;s just I want, and will do anything to get what I want.   And folks say junkies are bad?  All they&#8217;re doing is trying to stave off sickness&#8230;this is much, much worse.</p>
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