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	<title>Comments on: Knock Myself Up? I&#8217;d Rather Be Childfree</title>
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	<description>The Interests of a Childfree Brit Living in Toronto</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12456</link>
		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Megs I visited those links...  and the more I read them the more I find it hard to believe how anyone can put the needs of the children aside for their own. And what gets me is that the donor children, when they want to find their father, are told to be "grateful they were given life!" People deliberately having donor children are sitting on a time bomb... they may say their children don't need their fathers, but it's really not their decision to make and the children are now bent on finding the other half of their identity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, hey, the women want a baby, right? Looks like that's all that matters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Peggy Archer - I guess the children in need of a better life just aren't good enough to fulfil the "need."&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shannon - "They felt they were robbed of a father by a selfish mother. It’s not all about YOU and your selfish want to reproduce!"&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They were.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mercurior - It's a matter of time before sperm donors wake up to the reality that no good deed goes unpunished.  Of course the mothers will be after them for child support once it's allowed... and it will be.  Men need to inform themselves about the implications of donating sperm, not just because of multiple kids (and mothers) who might turn up wanting support, but because of the fact they're creating many kids with no knowledge of who they are.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megs I visited those links&#8230;  and the more I read them the more I find it hard to believe how anyone can put the needs of the children aside for their own. And what gets me is that the donor children, when they want to find their father, are told to be &#8220;grateful they were given life!&#8221; People deliberately having donor children are sitting on a time bomb&#8230; they may say their children don&#8217;t need their fathers, but it&#8217;s really not their decision to make and the children are now bent on finding the other half of their identity.</p>
<p>But, hey, the women want a baby, right? Looks like that&#8217;s all that matters.</p>
<p>Peggy Archer - I guess the children in need of a better life just aren&#8217;t good enough to fulfil the &#8220;need.&#8221;</p>
<p>Shannon - &#8220;They felt they were robbed of a father by a selfish mother. It’s not all about YOU and your selfish want to reproduce!&#8221;</p>
<p>They were.</p>
<p>Mercurior - It&#8217;s a matter of time before sperm donors wake up to the reality that no good deed goes unpunished.  Of course the mothers will be after them for child support once it&#8217;s allowed&#8230; and it will be.  Men need to inform themselves about the implications of donating sperm, not just because of multiple kids (and mothers) who might turn up wanting support, but because of the fact they&#8217;re creating many kids with no knowledge of who they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12451</link>
		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The becomming mother, should fill the emptiness inside by herself, not create a child to do this.</description>
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		<title>By: Peggy Archer</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12442</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I'm not opposed to single people who really want (&lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; need. I agree wholeheartedly with the statement that the desire to have a child is just that - a desire and not a basic need) to have a child if they have the economic means to support them, I'm always confused as to why they have to create a new child when there are millions of children languishing in the foster system who desperately need homes. 

Seems to me that if they really loved children so much, they'd make an existing child's life better by adopting them and giving them a loving home. 

Just my $.02</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#8217;m not opposed to single people who really want (<i>not</i> need. I agree wholeheartedly with the statement that the desire to have a child is just that - a desire and not a basic need) to have a child if they have the economic means to support them, I&#8217;m always confused as to why they have to create a new child when there are millions of children languishing in the foster system who desperately need homes. </p>
<p>Seems to me that if they really loved children so much, they&#8217;d make an existing child&#8217;s life better by adopting them and giving them a loving home. </p>
<p>Just my $.02</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12441</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She must have missed the episode of Oprah, where "sperm bank babies" who had grown up came on to talk about how they resented their mother for her choice.  Many of them were looking for ways to find their father (the donor), whether they wanted it or not...  They felt they were robbed of a father by a selfish mother.  It's not all about YOU and your selfish want to reproduce!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She must have missed the episode of Oprah, where &#8220;sperm bank babies&#8221; who had grown up came on to talk about how they resented their mother for her choice.  Many of them were looking for ways to find their father (the donor), whether they wanted it or not&#8230;  They felt they were robbed of a father by a selfish mother.  It&#8217;s not all about YOU and your selfish want to reproduce!</p>
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		<title>By: Megs</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12432</link>
		<dc:creator>Megs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that these folks would strongly disagree with Ms. Sloan's assertion that a donor insemination (DI) will have little or no effect on the child's eventual well-being: http://www.amfor.net/DonorOffspring/
Read "How the Conception Deception Impacts the Children" by Lia Vandersant.    It's pretty telling.  Sloan can rationalize that the end justifies the means, but even couples that choose DI often have significantly more trouble dealing with it than the initial glibness and "run upstairs and baste" comments would imply.  The least she could do for the kid is make up a cool story - "He was an astrophysics professor that went on sabbatical to donate a kidney to a nun and ended up doing his physical therapy while working as a roadie for Motorhead.  He didn't need the money, he was donating all of his paychecks to an orphanage in Nepal.  I don't usually swing that way, but... ".</description>
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		<title>By: mercurior</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12430</link>
		<dc:creator>mercurior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but i bet the MOMENT she needs or wants more money she will get in touch with the courts and get this man to pay child support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but i bet the MOMENT she needs or wants more money she will get in touch with the courts and get this man to pay child support.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12428</link>
		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I grew up with both parents, I can not put myself in the position of having no father around, but I can understand it has its minus.

The variety of families have changed. But still, what is Sloan and her ilk (nice word by the way..), going to tell the child when asking for a father. Would she tell the truth or make up a lie? I am not sure which is worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I grew up with both parents, I can not put myself in the position of having no father around, but I can understand it has its minus.</p>
<p>The variety of families have changed. But still, what is Sloan and her ilk (nice word by the way..), going to tell the child when asking for a father. Would she tell the truth or make up a lie? I am not sure which is worse.</p>
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		<title>By: CFSinceSix</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12426</link>
		<dc:creator>CFSinceSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lurker said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;"First day at school: “Sooooo….what is YOUR father doing?”..
“Father??? What is that??????”"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lurker, that is EXACTLY what I mean when I originally posted in Britgirl's other blog posting about this subject, &lt;a href="http://thebritgirl.com/2008/01/15/want-a-child-no-man-no-problem-knock-yourself-up/#comments" rel="nofollow"&gt;Want A Child? No Man? No Problem. Knock Yourself Up... "&lt;/a&gt;

Like I said, I was a kid in the 70's and a teen in the 80's. I never realized that I didn't have a father or that I was abnormal until the &lt;i&gt;teacher&lt;/i&gt; would go around asking us what our parents did for a living and when I couldn't answer regarding my dad, ("I don't have a father") that made even the teacher uncomfortable. Of course, it probably came out differently and was taken as such, but still.. I'd feel like the freak.

Today, in the '00's, it is different in that the number of single mothers has exploded. And with purposefully single mothers like Sloan and her ilk are making it different - since her child is most likely going to go to school with another child who has a single mother. So they won't feel so freakish. 

At this point, it becomes a matter of what Sloan is denying her child regarding the help, love, support, and all that parental goodness, that a *male* parent brings to a child. "Uncles" and other "male role models" don't cut it. I promise you, or anyone for that matter, they don't.</description>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12422</link>
		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAYBE..I am pushing it a little far..?! But..:

First day at school: "Sooooo....what is YOUR father doing?"..
"Father??? What is that??????"

Prospects...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAYBE..I am pushing it a little far..?! But..:</p>
<p>First day at school: &#8220;Sooooo&#8230;.what is YOUR father doing?&#8221;..<br />
&#8220;Father??? What is that??????&#8221;</p>
<p>Prospects&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12421</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done.  True, people may call the childfree selfish, but who are we hurting with our selfishness?  These women are affecting an innocent life with their selfishness to breed regardless of the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done.  True, people may call the childfree selfish, but who are we hurting with our selfishness?  These women are affecting an innocent life with their selfishness to breed regardless of the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: CFSinceSix</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12417</link>
		<dc:creator>CFSinceSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I was going to come back and apologize for being rude to one of your commentators, Britgirl. Then I find this post. :)

I completely agree that purposeful single-motherhood is self-serving and the ultimate in selfishness. It's still disgusting denying a child the right to a father. They will never know what that will do to their children.

Clearly this is not being done out of love but a selfish greedy want that overcomes many women when all they can think about is having a baby. Feh is correct, this is not a biological need. BREATHING is a biological need, not breeding.

And really, you bring up an excellent point about how it MUST be their own flesh and blood. AS IF these women are all that. If they truly feel they had something to offer as a mother, why not adopt? The ONLY leeway I will give here is that I understand that it can be EXTREMELY difficult to adopt children here in the States. Or atleast, so I've been told. So that it's actually easier to pop one out yourself is you're so desperate. But I don't think it's due to any dificulty in adopting but more due to a feeling of self importance and grandiosity.

No, people. You canNOT have it all. It is a MYTH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I was going to come back and apologize for being rude to one of your commentators, Britgirl. Then I find this post. <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I completely agree that purposeful single-motherhood is self-serving and the ultimate in selfishness. It&#8217;s still disgusting denying a child the right to a father. They will never know what that will do to their children.</p>
<p>Clearly this is not being done out of love but a selfish greedy want that overcomes many women when all they can think about is having a baby. Feh is correct, this is not a biological need. BREATHING is a biological need, not breeding.</p>
<p>And really, you bring up an excellent point about how it MUST be their own flesh and blood. AS IF these women are all that. If they truly feel they had something to offer as a mother, why not adopt? The ONLY leeway I will give here is that I understand that it can be EXTREMELY difficult to adopt children here in the States. Or atleast, so I&#8217;ve been told. So that it&#8217;s actually easier to pop one out yourself is you&#8217;re so desperate. But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s due to any dificulty in adopting but more due to a feeling of self importance and grandiosity.</p>
<p>No, people. You canNOT have it all. It is a MYTH.</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12410</link>
		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EBC - The thing is, I bet that even if they found it hard work we would never hear about it because that might put off the  single women now contemplating having a kid and spoil the rosy dream of DIY motherhood.  

Much like the smoke and mirrors of parenthood, where we always told it's well worth the struggle, and that you "forget" how hard it is because you can look at what you've produced...etc.  Almost every parent I've know says that no matter the preparation you're never prepared for parenthood. And that's with a mother AND a father pitching in. 

My  younger sister is a single parent - and  certainly not by design.  When her toe-rag of a husband started being violent (she was, oh, probably about 6 months pregnant and the time) she kicked him out and changed the locks. She's an admirable lady and my niece is great. She works full time and so childcare is a must. She is fortunate she has a network of supportive friends, as family don't live near. 

Even if she did not tell me how hard it can be, I know how hard it is and how much of a struggle it is to bring up a child solo when you never planned for it to be the case. So when these breeders present such a lighthearted view, casually  and deliberately putting aside the fatherhood aspect simply because they are slaves to their supposed biological clocks... well EBC, you've said it politely. They make  me want to upchuck.

And another thing... the self-serving aspect is apparent. I think of that when I think of the myriads of children who would actually like to have ANY parent. But no. They must have their own flesh and blood baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EBC - The thing is, I bet that even if they found it hard work we would never hear about it because that might put off the  single women now contemplating having a kid and spoil the rosy dream of DIY motherhood.  </p>
<p>Much like the smoke and mirrors of parenthood, where we always told it&#8217;s well worth the struggle, and that you &#8220;forget&#8221; how hard it is because you can look at what you&#8217;ve produced&#8230;etc.  Almost every parent I&#8217;ve know says that no matter the preparation you&#8217;re never prepared for parenthood. And that&#8217;s with a mother AND a father pitching in. </p>
<p>My  younger sister is a single parent - and  certainly not by design.  When her toe-rag of a husband started being violent (she was, oh, probably about 6 months pregnant and the time) she kicked him out and changed the locks. She&#8217;s an admirable lady and my niece is great. She works full time and so childcare is a must. She is fortunate she has a network of supportive friends, as family don&#8217;t live near. </p>
<p>Even if she did not tell me how hard it can be, I know how hard it is and how much of a struggle it is to bring up a child solo when you never planned for it to be the case. So when these breeders present such a lighthearted view, casually  and deliberately putting aside the fatherhood aspect simply because they are slaves to their supposed biological clocks&#8230; well EBC, you&#8217;ve said it politely. They make  me want to upchuck.</p>
<p>And another thing&#8230; the self-serving aspect is apparent. I think of that when I think of the myriads of children who would actually like to have ANY parent. But no. They must have their own flesh and blood baby.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12406</link>
		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selfish...?</description>
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		<title>By: Feh</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12405</link>
		<dc:creator>Feh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one NEEDS a child.  A child is not a necessity for life.   One will not DIE without procreating.  

They WANT....
a baby to play dress up with
someone others can coo over
a kodak moment
someone to love them unconditionally
a baby shower
a best friend</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one NEEDS a child.  A child is not a necessity for life.   One will not DIE without procreating.  </p>
<p>They WANT&#8230;.<br />
a baby to play dress up with<br />
someone others can coo over<br />
a kodak moment<br />
someone to love them unconditionally<br />
a baby shower<br />
a best friend</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/11/knock-myself-up-id-rather-be-childfree/#comment-12402</link>
		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always imagined, that having kids, were part of creating a "traditional family". Crazy how someone deliberately creates a single-parent child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always imagined, that having kids, were part of creating a &#8220;traditional family&#8221;. Crazy how someone deliberately creates a single-parent child.</p>
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		<title>By: Explosive Bombchelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Explosive Bombchelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more information I am reading on Louise Sloan and the Knock Yourself Up craze the more I wonder if these women of affluence are giving the "general" audience the wrong impression of single motherhood.  Putting the opinion of the importance of a stable, loving father to the side what it still comes down to is just how hard it is for 99% of the women who are single mothers regardless as to whether they do it themselves or not.  Ms. Sloan is a freelance writer with the ability to dictate her own schedule and with the success of her book have the ability to hire extra help, the kind of help the extra two hands in the form of a father would normally provide.  

Bring me your average weary and tired single mother who is desperately trying to keep her sanity together as she works fulltime and provides the fulltime support of her children.  Guaranteed those women, even in the love and devotion of their children, have a much less casual take on single motherhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more information I am reading on Louise Sloan and the Knock Yourself Up craze the more I wonder if these women of affluence are giving the &#8220;general&#8221; audience the wrong impression of single motherhood.  Putting the opinion of the importance of a stable, loving father to the side what it still comes down to is just how hard it is for 99% of the women who are single mothers regardless as to whether they do it themselves or not.  Ms. Sloan is a freelance writer with the ability to dictate her own schedule and with the success of her book have the ability to hire extra help, the kind of help the extra two hands in the form of a father would normally provide.  </p>
<p>Bring me your average weary and tired single mother who is desperately trying to keep her sanity together as she works fulltime and provides the fulltime support of her children.  Guaranteed those women, even in the love and devotion of their children, have a much less casual take on single motherhood.</p>
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