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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/18/how-to-screw-the-childfree-worker-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-12502</link>
		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe not for this post, but maybe still interesting..:?

http://childfreenews.blogspot.com/2008/02/for-dads-happiness-is-no-kids.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe not for this post, but maybe still interesting..:?</p>
<p><a href="http://childfreenews.blogspot.com/2008/02/for-dads-happiness-is-no-kids.html">http://childfreenews.blogspot.com/2008/02/for-dads-happiness-is-no-kids.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: UKShell</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/18/how-to-screw-the-childfree-worker-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-12491</link>
		<dc:creator>UKShell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I heard about the one off cash incentives being given in some countries (like in Italy I think it&#039;s 1,000 euros or something) to &#039;encourage&#039; people to have kids, the words drop and ocean came to mind. Like thats gonna make any difference in the grand scale of things...? Sheesh.
Getting taxed for not breeding... Thats scary beyond words. The day it starts happening here, I&#039;m off.
Lurker - thankfully I&#039;ve only really had to slap myself once or twice (metaphorically speaking of course) over the years :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I heard about the one off cash incentives being given in some countries (like in Italy I think it&#8217;s 1,000 euros or something) to &#8216;encourage&#8217; people to have kids, the words drop and ocean came to mind. Like thats gonna make any difference in the grand scale of things&#8230;? Sheesh.<br />
Getting taxed for not breeding&#8230; Thats scary beyond words. The day it starts happening here, I&#8217;m off.<br />
Lurker &#8211; thankfully I&#8217;ve only really had to slap myself once or twice (metaphorically speaking of course) over the years <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/18/how-to-screw-the-childfree-worker-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-12488</link>
		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanctions against the childfree might be just the trigger to start highlighting more clearly that the childfree are being discriminated against. The thing it won&#039;t do is to make them have kids. People who have seriously considered not having kids are unlikely to be bought with threats of taxation. As Carisa says, if that worked, Germany would be boasting higher birthrates instead of the plummeting ones they have.  

Let them court the media - who only go after the soundbites  anyway, before they&#039;re off to feed at the next trough. And soon, even the lure of more subsidies won&#039;t be enough to force people to breed more...some of us just don&#039;t want to be hampered with kids.  It&#039;s not just the money Politicians really are stupid... yes, Lurker, the gas guzzling SUV&#039;s are waiting to be taxed, the additional consumption of childed people because of their kids... but then they might hurt the fickle voters. 

Feh - agree, but some never stop to do the math :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanctions against the childfree might be just the trigger to start highlighting more clearly that the childfree are being discriminated against. The thing it won&#8217;t do is to make them have kids. People who have seriously considered not having kids are unlikely to be bought with threats of taxation. As Carisa says, if that worked, Germany would be boasting higher birthrates instead of the plummeting ones they have.  </p>
<p>Let them court the media &#8211; who only go after the soundbites  anyway, before they&#8217;re off to feed at the next trough. And soon, even the lure of more subsidies won&#8217;t be enough to force people to breed more&#8230;some of us just don&#8217;t want to be hampered with kids.  It&#8217;s not just the money Politicians really are stupid&#8230; yes, Lurker, the gas guzzling SUV&#8217;s are waiting to be taxed, the additional consumption of childed people because of their kids&#8230; but then they might hurt the fickle voters. </p>
<p>Feh &#8211; agree, but some never stop to do the math <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/18/how-to-screw-the-childfree-worker-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-12487</link>
		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Force seldom work as motivation. Most of times, it just put the attacked group stronger together. 

If you dont have children, you consume less, and people already pay tax for services they never use. In democracy its how things work, but taxing someone for NOT having children, is crazy. 

Unacceptable. As if Cf were secondary citizens. What about an environmental tax, for producing more consumers and pollution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Force seldom work as motivation. Most of times, it just put the attacked group stronger together. </p>
<p>If you dont have children, you consume less, and people already pay tax for services they never use. In democracy its how things work, but taxing someone for NOT having children, is crazy. </p>
<p>Unacceptable. As if Cf were secondary citizens. What about an environmental tax, for producing more consumers and pollution?</p>
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		<title>By: Carisa</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/18/how-to-screw-the-childfree-worker-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-12485</link>
		<dc:creator>Carisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lurker-

Here are some excertps from the blog &quot;Childfree news&quot;, taken from a Newsweek article two years ago: 

&quot;From Germany to Russia, there is increasing talk of sanctions against the childless. In Slovakia, a leading adviser on the government&#039;s Strategic Council on Economic Development proposed in March to replace an unpopular payroll tax with a levy on all childless Slovaks between the ages of 25 and 50. In Russia, where the birthrate has dropped from 2.3 in the 1980s to 1.3 today, a powerful business lobby has called for an income-tax surcharge on childless couples. In Germany, economists and politicians have demanded that public pensions for the childless be slashed by up to 50 percent—never mind that such pensions were invented as an alternative to senior citizens&#039; having to depend on their offspring. These moves resonate favorably with voters and the media. Since a large majority of people in all countries still do have children, critics say such measures in effect serve as middle-class tax breaks in the guise of social policy.

In any case, there is no reason to believe that sanctions against the childless will do much to raise the birthrate. Germany, for instance, already spends more than any other country on family subsidies, and has the world&#039;s second-highest taxes on childless singles (after Belgium). Yet that hasn&#039;t done a thing to boost the birthrate.&quot;

It&#039;s already happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurker-</p>
<p>Here are some excertps from the blog &#8220;Childfree news&#8221;, taken from a Newsweek article two years ago: </p>
<p>&#8220;From Germany to Russia, there is increasing talk of sanctions against the childless. In Slovakia, a leading adviser on the government&#8217;s Strategic Council on Economic Development proposed in March to replace an unpopular payroll tax with a levy on all childless Slovaks between the ages of 25 and 50. In Russia, where the birthrate has dropped from 2.3 in the 1980s to 1.3 today, a powerful business lobby has called for an income-tax surcharge on childless couples. In Germany, economists and politicians have demanded that public pensions for the childless be slashed by up to 50 percent—never mind that such pensions were invented as an alternative to senior citizens&#8217; having to depend on their offspring. These moves resonate favorably with voters and the media. Since a large majority of people in all countries still do have children, critics say such measures in effect serve as middle-class tax breaks in the guise of social policy.</p>
<p>In any case, there is no reason to believe that sanctions against the childless will do much to raise the birthrate. Germany, for instance, already spends more than any other country on family subsidies, and has the world&#8217;s second-highest taxes on childless singles (after Belgium). Yet that hasn&#8217;t done a thing to boost the birthrate.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s already happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Feh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? 3000 pounds is enough to cover the loss of an entire income on top of the expenses of a child?    If people are boneheaded enough to go for this, they are going to be shitty parents who will end up causing more expenses to society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? 3000 pounds is enough to cover the loss of an entire income on top of the expenses of a child?    If people are boneheaded enough to go for this, they are going to be shitty parents who will end up causing more expenses to society.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/18/how-to-screw-the-childfree-worker-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-12483</link>
		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: &quot;it’s almost making the baby making process look more attractive to me…&quot;

...Yes doesn`t it...

..*gives self a hard slap to face*, twice...with both hands...

Being home with children for a couple of years, want change the reality of parenting. But like every other political rubbish, someone are probably going to buy this too. 

Willl there some day be a law, where you are directly being taxed for not having children? Sounds crazy, and hope development goes the other way. Maybe it will, because more and more people see they have a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: &#8220;it’s almost making the baby making process look more attractive to me…&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;Yes doesn`t it&#8230;</p>
<p>..*gives self a hard slap to face*, twice&#8230;with both hands&#8230;</p>
<p>Being home with children for a couple of years, want change the reality of parenting. But like every other political rubbish, someone are probably going to buy this too. </p>
<p>Willl there some day be a law, where you are directly being taxed for not having children? Sounds crazy, and hope development goes the other way. Maybe it will, because more and more people see they have a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: mercurior</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/18/how-to-screw-the-childfree-worker-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-12477</link>
		<dc:creator>mercurior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>even here in the UK, we have no good politicians,  browne, (who is a parent of a disabled child who was born while he was chancellor), blair, (whos wife had a 4th child while he was in power),  cameron, see article.  Our MP&#039;s voted themselves a pay increase, of 2% while trying to deny the police a raise.

politicians are out for what they can get, blairs gone, but he is now earning MILLIONS a year,  strangely with companies he passed legislation that helped them.

and Moo laws are an easy way into power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even here in the UK, we have no good politicians,  browne, (who is a parent of a disabled child who was born while he was chancellor), blair, (whos wife had a 4th child while he was in power),  cameron, see article.  Our MP&#8217;s voted themselves a pay increase, of 2% while trying to deny the police a raise.</p>
<p>politicians are out for what they can get, blairs gone, but he is now earning MILLIONS a year,  strangely with companies he passed legislation that helped them.</p>
<p>and Moo laws are an easy way into power.</p>
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		<title>By: CFSinceSix</title>
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		<dc:creator>CFSinceSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as parents are in the majority, they will be in power. Unfortunately. I&#039;m in the States. I have come to believe that there is no honest politician and that, quite frankly, anything real can be done. Our politicians don&#039;t say or do anything substantial, and if one side tries to get something to pass, the other side does whatever it takes to block it. There is no concern for the well being of the people.

All politicians want is to continue playing the game. They all know that they need to appeal to the largest voting base possible. 

Unfortunately, there will always be these &quot;family friendly&quot; policies because of this.

UKShell, here in the States we have this &quot;FMLA - Family Medical Leave Act&quot; where we can take some time off of work for an immediate family need. This is mostly used and referred to when someone has a baby, but it can be taken if you need to care for a parent (but not an in law). In a nutshell, it&#039;s up to 12 weeks and an employer does not need to offer it until the employee has been with the company for 12 months and it does not need to be paid time off either. Most women &quot;save it&quot; for the birth of a child, tho&#039;. When it becomes unfair is if an employer offers to continue to pay salary for all or part of  those 12 weeks for the birth of a child, but not for an employee taking time off and using their FMLA when they need to care for a spouse or a parent. FMLA can also be used for yourself when you have a medical certificate that says you need to take time off from work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as parents are in the majority, they will be in power. Unfortunately. I&#8217;m in the States. I have come to believe that there is no honest politician and that, quite frankly, anything real can be done. Our politicians don&#8217;t say or do anything substantial, and if one side tries to get something to pass, the other side does whatever it takes to block it. There is no concern for the well being of the people.</p>
<p>All politicians want is to continue playing the game. They all know that they need to appeal to the largest voting base possible. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, there will always be these &#8220;family friendly&#8221; policies because of this.</p>
<p>UKShell, here in the States we have this &#8220;FMLA &#8211; Family Medical Leave Act&#8221; where we can take some time off of work for an immediate family need. This is mostly used and referred to when someone has a baby, but it can be taken if you need to care for a parent (but not an in law). In a nutshell, it&#8217;s up to 12 weeks and an employer does not need to offer it until the employee has been with the company for 12 months and it does not need to be paid time off either. Most women &#8220;save it&#8221; for the birth of a child, tho&#8217;. When it becomes unfair is if an employer offers to continue to pay salary for all or part of  those 12 weeks for the birth of a child, but not for an employee taking time off and using their FMLA when they need to care for a spouse or a parent. FMLA can also be used for yourself when you have a medical certificate that says you need to take time off from work.</p>
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		<title>By: UKShell</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/02/18/how-to-screw-the-childfree-worker-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-12467</link>
		<dc:creator>UKShell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, rambled a bit there. I get carried away sometimes, especially when children are placed on a higher level than elderly relatives who can need just as much care &amp; attention.

&#039;Family friendly&#039; working hours for *everyone*, regardless of why! Where &#039;family&#039; can mean partner, parents, relatives, pets, hobbies...

Hey, maybe they should just call it &#039;Life Friendly&#039; instead? Oh, in the ideal world... *crosses fingers*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, rambled a bit there. I get carried away sometimes, especially when children are placed on a higher level than elderly relatives who can need just as much care &amp; attention.</p>
<p>&#8216;Family friendly&#8217; working hours for *everyone*, regardless of why! Where &#8216;family&#8217; can mean partner, parents, relatives, pets, hobbies&#8230;</p>
<p>Hey, maybe they should just call it &#8216;Life Friendly&#8217; instead? Oh, in the ideal world&#8230; *crosses fingers*</p>
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		<title>By: UKShell</title>
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		<dc:creator>UKShell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s almost making the baby making process look more attractive to me...
*gives self a hard slap to face*
Right, thats better.
You know, the day a UK political party starts advertising giving people &#039;family friendly&#039; hours AND pay to carers of old/disabled relatives, is the day my ears prick up. The money i save by not having kids, can go towards my care when I&#039;m older. So I don&#039;t have any kids feeling the burden of having to look after me. My mum has MS (luckily she is kinda coping at the moment) but it&#039;s inevitable that soon in the future it&#039;s gonna be down to me and my sis to care and look after her. Will I be getting family friendly hours then? Or elderly parent sick leave?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s almost making the baby making process look more attractive to me&#8230;<br />
*gives self a hard slap to face*<br />
Right, thats better.<br />
You know, the day a UK political party starts advertising giving people &#8216;family friendly&#8217; hours AND pay to carers of old/disabled relatives, is the day my ears prick up. The money i save by not having kids, can go towards my care when I&#8217;m older. So I don&#8217;t have any kids feeling the burden of having to look after me. My mum has MS (luckily she is kinda coping at the moment) but it&#8217;s inevitable that soon in the future it&#8217;s gonna be down to me and my sis to care and look after her. Will I be getting family friendly hours then? Or elderly parent sick leave?</p>
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		<title>By: mercurior</title>
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		<dc:creator>mercurior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 things, first nothing will ever be said about the fathers.  there is an attitude that men are not needed/wanted in a womans life. its going back to the old way of man (if they have a male partner),  working till he dies to support a woman who looks after the kids at home.

Hang on.. isnt that the same as what happened in the victorian era and before.  and didnt they complain that it was wrong that a woman was stuck at home. over 100 years later and its back to how it was.  

2 even clinton/obama has done the same bribe to mothers in the american elections.

Why? well my thought is that  men are tired of the inequalities so they dont vote, women who work dont have the time to vote or they love the idea of getting something for nothing, so that leaves them and single or sahm to be the voters.  To win power they bribe the people that will get them in. in a popularity contest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 things, first nothing will ever be said about the fathers.  there is an attitude that men are not needed/wanted in a womans life. its going back to the old way of man (if they have a male partner),  working till he dies to support a woman who looks after the kids at home.</p>
<p>Hang on.. isnt that the same as what happened in the victorian era and before.  and didnt they complain that it was wrong that a woman was stuck at home. over 100 years later and its back to how it was.  </p>
<p>2 even clinton/obama has done the same bribe to mothers in the american elections.</p>
<p>Why? well my thought is that  men are tired of the inequalities so they dont vote, women who work dont have the time to vote or they love the idea of getting something for nothing, so that leaves them and single or sahm to be the voters.  To win power they bribe the people that will get them in. in a popularity contest</p>
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