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	<title>Comments on: Infertile? What About the Childfree Choice?</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sister Dino</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-14647</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Dino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, OK. I couldn't get past the first comment:

"The thing I can’t figure out about not getting pregnant, is why I was given such a sex drive! I would tell my husband, What was the purpose of my attracting him, enjoying him so much, enjoying sex so much, and then not produce a child! What kind of plan is that?"

How sad for their marriage. Couldn't it just be possible that she was given the sex drive in part BECAUSE she was infirtile? That maybe she should use that drive as a means of connecting emotionally with her husband? There's no reason to not have/want sex just because you can't get pregnant (quite the contrary, IMO!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, OK. I couldn&#8217;t get past the first comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;The thing I can’t figure out about not getting pregnant, is why I was given such a sex drive! I would tell my husband, What was the purpose of my attracting him, enjoying him so much, enjoying sex so much, and then not produce a child! What kind of plan is that?&#8221;</p>
<p>How sad for their marriage. Couldn&#8217;t it just be possible that she was given the sex drive in part BECAUSE she was infirtile? That maybe she should use that drive as a means of connecting emotionally with her husband? There&#8217;s no reason to not have/want sex just because you can&#8217;t get pregnant (quite the contrary, IMO!).</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-14023</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm infertile myself (100% - I was born without ovaries), but after reading a book called "Childfree After Infertility" I decided to be childfree.  I too see absolutely no point to getting upset about infertility. If you can't have kids, so what? It's not like there aren't enough in the world. Plus, not having kids frees YOUR WHOLE LIFE for doing whatever you want without having to worry about the kids and often your financial gain is fantastic.

Having said that, I still like kids and I have a great relationship with my two nephews and niece. I don't need my own when they're around. Often they are examples of why I shouldn't have kids :P

Still, my younger nephew and niece wouldn't have come about without IVF so I don't know my stance on infertility treatments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m infertile myself (100% - I was born without ovaries), but after reading a book called &#8220;Childfree After Infertility&#8221; I decided to be childfree.  I too see absolutely no point to getting upset about infertility. If you can&#8217;t have kids, so what? It&#8217;s not like there aren&#8217;t enough in the world. Plus, not having kids frees YOUR WHOLE LIFE for doing whatever you want without having to worry about the kids and often your financial gain is fantastic.</p>
<p>Having said that, I still like kids and I have a great relationship with my two nephews and niece. I don&#8217;t need my own when they&#8217;re around. Often they are examples of why I shouldn&#8217;t have kids <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Still, my younger nephew and niece wouldn&#8217;t have come about without IVF so I don&#8217;t know my stance on infertility treatments.</p>
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		<title>By: Childfreeee</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13823</link>
		<dc:creator>Childfreeee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Well what about the women who cannot have children?"  Is that an idea along the lines of "finish your dinner - there are lots of starving children in Africa!"  ?  I don't get it.   Are we supposed to have kids because we CAN and we should be grateful for the ability to have them?  Talk about assinine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well what about the women who cannot have children?&#8221;  Is that an idea along the lines of &#8220;finish your dinner - there are lots of starving children in Africa!&#8221;  ?  I don&#8217;t get it.   Are we supposed to have kids because we CAN and we should be grateful for the ability to have them?  Talk about assinine.</p>
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		<title>By: Melisa</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13744</link>
		<dc:creator>Melisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Miss Q
Thanks for your MnM story. You are definitely right. Physical similarity is not the reason of a family, but love and care are. Near my hometown there is an orphant house. This place accept the unwanted children. I think I will take my husband to that place. I hope by seeing the children his heart will be touched and his paradigm would be changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Miss Q<br />
Thanks for your MnM story. You are definitely right. Physical similarity is not the reason of a family, but love and care are. Near my hometown there is an orphant house. This place accept the unwanted children. I think I will take my husband to that place. I hope by seeing the children his heart will be touched and his paradigm would be changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Feh</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13729</link>
		<dc:creator>Feh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny/irritating to me that when this discussion comes up there's always someone telling adoption horror stories, and IVF success stories, but not the other way around.

My husband was abandoned at the hospital upon his birth.  His adoptive grandmother was the attending nurse, contacted his adoptive parents and they adopted him "under the table" so to speak.   There is no document ANYWHERE that has any information on his biological mother.  While he realizes that is it helpful to have some information on his genetics, it's not possible so...he deals with it.  The people who raised him are his parents, his sisters (who were also adopted - in a more legitimate fashion) are his sisters.   
They have all grown up to be decent people with good sense.  

No situation in life will be perfect, we should accept that and adapt to what we are dealt to the best of our abilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny/irritating to me that when this discussion comes up there&#8217;s always someone telling adoption horror stories, and IVF success stories, but not the other way around.</p>
<p>My husband was abandoned at the hospital upon his birth.  His adoptive grandmother was the attending nurse, contacted his adoptive parents and they adopted him &#8220;under the table&#8221; so to speak.   There is no document ANYWHERE that has any information on his biological mother.  While he realizes that is it helpful to have some information on his genetics, it&#8217;s not possible so&#8230;he deals with it.  The people who raised him are his parents, his sisters (who were also adopted - in a more legitimate fashion) are his sisters.<br />
They have all grown up to be decent people with good sense.  </p>
<p>No situation in life will be perfect, we should accept that and adapt to what we are dealt to the best of our abilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13712</link>
		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the IVF "argument" is that it's always one-sided. Even though there are risks of multiple births and many of the unfortunate babies die or have horrendous birth defects - health issues that ensure their quality of life is shaky at best -  none of that ever seems to register with those  "struggling" with infertility.  Put another way, it seems to be well worth the risk.

Of course they are fully encouraged by their supporters - led by the IVF industry but followed closely by the clueless people who want it to be politically incorrect to  be unsympathetic with any woman who can't breed. 

There's never any question but that an IVF bio-child is always A Good Thing". In fact, they make it to be A Necessary Thing, judging by the comments on that thread. It's as if having a child by IVF guarantees  a problem-free solution. 

As CFSince 6 and many others have said.. these women do have other options: accept they can't have children, and choose to be childfree, adopt,  and/or foster. But for some reason in their mind having their own bio-child is the only way. Clearly their other choice is to continue the "struggle".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the IVF &#8220;argument&#8221; is that it&#8217;s always one-sided. Even though there are risks of multiple births and many of the unfortunate babies die or have horrendous birth defects - health issues that ensure their quality of life is shaky at best -  none of that ever seems to register with those  &#8220;struggling&#8221; with infertility.  Put another way, it seems to be well worth the risk.</p>
<p>Of course they are fully encouraged by their supporters - led by the IVF industry but followed closely by the clueless people who want it to be politically incorrect to  be unsympathetic with any woman who can&#8217;t breed. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s never any question but that an IVF bio-child is always A Good Thing&#8221;. In fact, they make it to be A Necessary Thing, judging by the comments on that thread. It&#8217;s as if having a child by IVF guarantees  a problem-free solution. </p>
<p>As CFSince 6 and many others have said.. these women do have other options: accept they can&#8217;t have children, and choose to be childfree, adopt,  and/or foster. But for some reason in their mind having their own bio-child is the only way. Clearly their other choice is to continue the &#8220;struggle&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: CFSinceSix</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13711</link>
		<dc:creator>CFSinceSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Athena, while I can appreciate what you have said, and no one here has ever said that adoption should not be an option (that's mostly breeders who refuse to consider it an option) the point to this particular blog entry is that if someone is "suffering" from being unable to conceive they have options IN ADDITION to IVF an adoption. One of which is to choose to be childfree.

That is the point of this blog posting. Good luck to you and your brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Athena, while I can appreciate what you have said, and no one here has ever said that adoption should not be an option (that&#8217;s mostly breeders who refuse to consider it an option) the point to this particular blog entry is that if someone is &#8220;suffering&#8221; from being unable to conceive they have options IN ADDITION to IVF an adoption. One of which is to choose to be childfree.</p>
<p>That is the point of this blog posting. Good luck to you and your brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Q</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13706</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Athena: you never 100%  know what you're going to get if you adopt, but you take even a bigger risk with IVF and other artificial ways to cheat nature. But if I have to believe those who are 'struggling' with infertility, your parents wouldn't have minded your brother's alcohol problems, if he had their magic genes. Because it's different when it's your own! *rolls eyes sarcastically*

Props to your folks for honestly wanting children, and not just little copies of themselves! :)

As for your brother... alcohol can damage a fetus if the mother drinks, and he was probably born an addict from getting alcohol through his mother. And if an addict kicks the habit (or is forced to, since most babies can't buy beer on their own), they can NEVER EVER drink again! Not one sip! But unfortunately, neither he or your parents could have known that. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Athena: you never 100%  know what you&#8217;re going to get if you adopt, but you take even a bigger risk with IVF and other artificial ways to cheat nature. But if I have to believe those who are &#8217;struggling&#8217; with infertility, your parents wouldn&#8217;t have minded your brother&#8217;s alcohol problems, if he had their magic genes. Because it&#8217;s different when it&#8217;s your own! *rolls eyes sarcastically*</p>
<p>Props to your folks for honestly wanting children, and not just little copies of themselves! <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for your brother&#8230; alcohol can damage a fetus if the mother drinks, and he was probably born an addict from getting alcohol through his mother. And if an addict kicks the habit (or is forced to, since most babies can&#8217;t buy beer on their own), they can NEVER EVER drink again! Not one sip! But unfortunately, neither he or your parents could have known that. <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Athena</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13705</link>
		<dc:creator>Athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm I DO understand what you are all saying and kinda agree but I and my brother are adopted from two different families and were adopted as babies.  My birthmother had a break down and worse from giving me up (she's OK now.) My adoptive mum and dad didn't know that my adoptive brother's biological parents (different family) were big drinkers - possibly alcoholics.   My brother battled alcoholism and drugs from when he was about 14 till when he was about 23.  This made life very difficult and sad for me and our parents and they even said to me once that they were never told there were alcohol issues in his family when they adopted him.  HOWEVER, in the 70s when we were adopted we were adopted through what is known as a CLOSED adoption and we didn't met our birth parents until much later. Today as far as I know things are more open and people are more likely to go into adoption with their eyes open.
I often wonder if he was their biological son would he have gone through that and mum and dad DIDN'T KNOW what genetic problems they were taking on - with a biological child they WOULD --- HOWEVER like I said I was adopted too and though we have had our moments 
overall I am grateful to my birth mother for making the choice she made.  I have had and do have opportunities I would NOT have had from her, had two parents etc.  So on the whole for me it worked out well that I was adopted!!  And I am VERY glad my parents who couldn't have kids decided to take a baby into their home who really benefitted from a stable home and parents who actually WANTED her.  But after seeing what my parents went through with my brother, things CAN go wrong VERY wrong with adoption! HOWEVER
I am VERY aware they can also go VERY wrong with biological children too, it's just that none of our adoptive cousins had alcohol and drug problems and I didn't either.  
AND obsessions are NOT healthy things and getting seriously into debt etc. just to have a kid seems nuts to me.  Then again, I never wanted one!  I wouldn't adopt a baby out.  I saw how it messed up my birthmother.  So me not having a child doesn't deprive ANYONE just because they can't have their own.  I considered VERY briefly considered donating my eggs before going OH HELL NO!! among many other reasons because I don't know all my genes being adopted and sometimes that IS a disadvantage!
But all your comments are excellent.   (And yes it DOES seem selfish to only want to have their own when other kids NEED homes and those people want kids!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm I DO understand what you are all saying and kinda agree but I and my brother are adopted from two different families and were adopted as babies.  My birthmother had a break down and worse from giving me up (she&#8217;s OK now.) My adoptive mum and dad didn&#8217;t know that my adoptive brother&#8217;s biological parents (different family) were big drinkers - possibly alcoholics.   My brother battled alcoholism and drugs from when he was about 14 till when he was about 23.  This made life very difficult and sad for me and our parents and they even said to me once that they were never told there were alcohol issues in his family when they adopted him.  HOWEVER, in the 70s when we were adopted we were adopted through what is known as a CLOSED adoption and we didn&#8217;t met our birth parents until much later. Today as far as I know things are more open and people are more likely to go into adoption with their eyes open.<br />
I often wonder if he was their biological son would he have gone through that and mum and dad DIDN&#8217;T KNOW what genetic problems they were taking on - with a biological child they WOULD &#8212; HOWEVER like I said I was adopted too and though we have had our moments<br />
overall I am grateful to my birth mother for making the choice she made.  I have had and do have opportunities I would NOT have had from her, had two parents etc.  So on the whole for me it worked out well that I was adopted!!  And I am VERY glad my parents who couldn&#8217;t have kids decided to take a baby into their home who really benefitted from a stable home and parents who actually WANTED her.  But after seeing what my parents went through with my brother, things CAN go wrong VERY wrong with adoption! HOWEVER<br />
I am VERY aware they can also go VERY wrong with biological children too, it&#8217;s just that none of our adoptive cousins had alcohol and drug problems and I didn&#8217;t either.<br />
AND obsessions are NOT healthy things and getting seriously into debt etc. just to have a kid seems nuts to me.  Then again, I never wanted one!  I wouldn&#8217;t adopt a baby out.  I saw how it messed up my birthmother.  So me not having a child doesn&#8217;t deprive ANYONE just because they can&#8217;t have their own.  I considered VERY briefly considered donating my eggs before going OH HELL NO!! among many other reasons because I don&#8217;t know all my genes being adopted and sometimes that IS a disadvantage!<br />
But all your comments are excellent.   (And yes it DOES seem selfish to only want to have their own when other kids NEED homes and those people want kids!)</p>
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		<title>By: CFSinceSix</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13703</link>
		<dc:creator>CFSinceSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RMS said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Such blind obsession with fertility treatments is just a way to get stuck staring at the closed door and ignoring the open door that leads to the rest of your life.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's awesome. Love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RMS said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Such blind obsession with fertility treatments is just a way to get stuck staring at the closed door and ignoring the open door that leads to the rest of your life.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s awesome. Love it!</p>
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		<title>By: RMS</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13700</link>
		<dc:creator>RMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Then my mother said that people were like M&#38;M’s: different colors on the outside, same filling on the inside." - Miss Q, I &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;love&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; that! I'm totally stealing that idea! It's wonderful and so right!

I agree there is a sense of entitlement going on with people desperately trying to conceive their bio children. I understand it must be initially painful to realize this isn't possible but the lengths people go to try to conceive their "own" children is what show their entitlement position. This whole idea that we can have it all is a sham. Life is full of choices and decisions. We can't have everything. We're choosing one path over another our entire lives. Such blind obsession with fertility treatments is just a way to get stuck staring at the closed door and ignoring the open door that leads to the rest of your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then my mother said that people were like M&amp;M’s: different colors on the outside, same filling on the inside.&#8221; - Miss Q, I <b><i>love</i></b> that! I&#8217;m totally stealing that idea! It&#8217;s wonderful and so right!</p>
<p>I agree there is a sense of entitlement going on with people desperately trying to conceive their bio children. I understand it must be initially painful to realize this isn&#8217;t possible but the lengths people go to try to conceive their &#8220;own&#8221; children is what show their entitlement position. This whole idea that we can have it all is a sham. Life is full of choices and decisions. We can&#8217;t have everything. We&#8217;re choosing one path over another our entire lives. Such blind obsession with fertility treatments is just a way to get stuck staring at the closed door and ignoring the open door that leads to the rest of your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne-Marie</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13699</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne-Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't even continue reading the comments after the article. To me, it all boils down to the entitled attitudes of some that you should get everything you want in life, and that you deserved sympathy if you don't. We were never able to "get" pregnant, and discovered along the way that, since we weren't pushing to adopt in any conscious way, perhaps wanting children wasn't really that much of a priority and so we decided not to go through any hoops. We stopped thinking about it, decided to enjoy the life we have, and got on with it. There's a deep selfishness in those who believe that they should have what they wish for, not to mention an arrogance. I have no sympathy for them, much like I wished none for myself. When I went to get an ultrasound a few years back, just to see why we were having trouble conceiving, the technician asked me if I was there to check for cancer. When I told her the reason, she said that it was good that it wasn't cancer, which was the main reason she saw women my age (I was about 40). Sobering thought, no? I was never one of those women described in the article as desperate, but it put things in such a clear perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t even continue reading the comments after the article. To me, it all boils down to the entitled attitudes of some that you should get everything you want in life, and that you deserved sympathy if you don&#8217;t. We were never able to &#8220;get&#8221; pregnant, and discovered along the way that, since we weren&#8217;t pushing to adopt in any conscious way, perhaps wanting children wasn&#8217;t really that much of a priority and so we decided not to go through any hoops. We stopped thinking about it, decided to enjoy the life we have, and got on with it. There&#8217;s a deep selfishness in those who believe that they should have what they wish for, not to mention an arrogance. I have no sympathy for them, much like I wished none for myself. When I went to get an ultrasound a few years back, just to see why we were having trouble conceiving, the technician asked me if I was there to check for cancer. When I told her the reason, she said that it was good that it wasn&#8217;t cancer, which was the main reason she saw women my age (I was about 40). Sobering thought, no? I was never one of those women described in the article as desperate, but it put things in such a clear perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Q</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13695</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melisa: don't let 'scary stories' steer you or your husband away from adopting. You only hear about the times it goes wrong, never the times it goes right. My cousins are adopted and they don't even want anything to do with their bio-parents. They accept my aunt and uncle as their parents and I accept them as my cousins, whether we're related by blood or not. I remember when I was a little kid, that I asked my mother how we could be family. I was white, they were white, grandma, grandpa, aunt, uncle and everyone else was white, but my cousins were black? What was up with that? Then my mother said that people were like M&#38;M's: different colors on the outside, same filling on the inside. I never forgot that story.

But the childfree choice is also one to be considered. You can be involved in a child's life in other ways than parenting. Have you looked into the Big Brother/Big Sister program? Or maybe spend money that is used for adopting for schools and waterwells in Afrika? Or research to cure children's diseases? There are so many options, and since your biological clock isn't ticking, you can afford to take all the time you want to decide what is best for you and your husband.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melisa: don&#8217;t let &#8217;scary stories&#8217; steer you or your husband away from adopting. You only hear about the times it goes wrong, never the times it goes right. My cousins are adopted and they don&#8217;t even want anything to do with their bio-parents. They accept my aunt and uncle as their parents and I accept them as my cousins, whether we&#8217;re related by blood or not. I remember when I was a little kid, that I asked my mother how we could be family. I was white, they were white, grandma, grandpa, aunt, uncle and everyone else was white, but my cousins were black? What was up with that? Then my mother said that people were like M&amp;M&#8217;s: different colors on the outside, same filling on the inside. I never forgot that story.</p>
<p>But the childfree choice is also one to be considered. You can be involved in a child&#8217;s life in other ways than parenting. Have you looked into the Big Brother/Big Sister program? Or maybe spend money that is used for adopting for schools and waterwells in Afrika? Or research to cure children&#8217;s diseases? There are so many options, and since your biological clock isn&#8217;t ticking, you can afford to take all the time you want to decide what is best for you and your husband.</p>
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		<title>By: Melisa</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13693</link>
		<dc:creator>Melisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You made very deep witting...I have this problem too in my family. The doctor has diagnosed that we have very little opportunity to have bio child. I am thinking to adopt  children, but my husband refuse it. For me having bio children is not a must. A family exist because of love and care...That's the main aspect. I will share your article with my husband. Hope it could gives him new perspective. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made very deep witting&#8230;I have this problem too in my family. The doctor has diagnosed that we have very little opportunity to have bio child. I am thinking to adopt  children, but my husband refuse it. For me having bio children is not a must. A family exist because of love and care&#8230;That&#8217;s the main aspect. I will share your article with my husband. Hope it could gives him new perspective. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Carisa</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13682</link>
		<dc:creator>Carisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feh-

But what would happen to all those making money hand over first administering these IVF treatments to the "unfortunate" couples if counselors helped them find peace with their inability to have children ;-)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feh-</p>
<p>But what would happen to all those making money hand over first administering these IVF treatments to the &#8220;unfortunate&#8221; couples if counselors helped them find peace with their inability to have children ;-)?</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13681</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this, Britgirl, I read most of the comments today, and  the commentary is some of the most thought provoking and insightful I've read for a while. The 'childless' outcome is so often forgotten, yet some of these people will end up being our childfree friends even if they come from a different space. Awesome as always!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this, Britgirl, I read most of the comments today, and  the commentary is some of the most thought provoking and insightful I&#8217;ve read for a while. The &#8216;childless&#8217; outcome is so often forgotten, yet some of these people will end up being our childfree friends even if they come from a different space. Awesome as always!</p>
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		<title>By: CFSinceSix</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13679</link>
		<dc:creator>CFSinceSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss Q, I'm "jo" that you responded to there. :) I forgot I had left my initials, as opposed to my CF "nick" of CFSinceSix. LOL!

Thank you for the support. I completely agree with you. Monies towards infertility research could best be used elsewhere to benefit more than just some obsessed breeder. 

Here's a twist on the breeder bingo of "My child could cure cancer!" and that's, what if all the money spent on infertility research could have gone to curing cancer and been just the tipping point in funds that found that cure? Their child begot from infertility treatments now has cancer, but no cure.

Aw.

(Okay, I know I'm eeeevil! :-P )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss Q, I&#8217;m &#8220;jo&#8221; that you responded to there. <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I forgot I had left my initials, as opposed to my CF &#8220;nick&#8221; of CFSinceSix. LOL!</p>
<p>Thank you for the support. I completely agree with you. Monies towards infertility research could best be used elsewhere to benefit more than just some obsessed breeder. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a twist on the breeder bingo of &#8220;My child could cure cancer!&#8221; and that&#8217;s, what if all the money spent on infertility research could have gone to curing cancer and been just the tipping point in funds that found that cure? Their child begot from infertility treatments now has cancer, but no cure.</p>
<p>Aw.</p>
<p>(Okay, I know I&#8217;m eeeevil! <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Q</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13678</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left my two cents there, and now I'm patiently waiting for (wanna)breeders to come out and maul me on the spot:

"Jo, I could not agree more. The choice to be childfree should be suggested to people 'struggling' with infertility. In fact, I'd like to go even further: why even invest money into fertility research at all? Finding ways to allow people to have (more) babies, is like installing a sprinkler system in the rainforest. Honestly, the planet is crowded enough already, and I highly doubt your genes are so special that we will all spontaniously turn purple and burst into flames if YOU don't procreate.

Why not, rather than continue flushing money down the infertility drain, invest that cash into cancer or AIDS research that may actually SAVE lives, instead of just creating new ones?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left my two cents there, and now I&#8217;m patiently waiting for (wanna)breeders to come out and maul me on the spot:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jo, I could not agree more. The choice to be childfree should be suggested to people &#8217;struggling&#8217; with infertility. In fact, I&#8217;d like to go even further: why even invest money into fertility research at all? Finding ways to allow people to have (more) babies, is like installing a sprinkler system in the rainforest. Honestly, the planet is crowded enough already, and I highly doubt your genes are so special that we will all spontaniously turn purple and burst into flames if YOU don&#8217;t procreate.</p>
<p>Why not, rather than continue flushing money down the infertility drain, invest that cash into cancer or AIDS research that may actually SAVE lives, instead of just creating new ones?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13673</link>
		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have I said already that these are great comments? If I have I'm saying it again.  I truly appreciate everyone who's posted and responded not just to this but to other posts too. 

CFSince 6/Feh - It's an industry.  And they have found the perfect market. Like you say, demand and supply. And a distinct lack of common sense. Watch for infertility counselling to take off. After all the money spend on the IVF of course.

Lisa - The most annoying thing about their fixation (which I don't understand) is that everyone is expected to sympathise with them.  No can do. it also entrenches the lie that every woman wants to have children and will do anything to have one and that any other experience is second best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have I said already that these are great comments? If I have I&#8217;m saying it again.  I truly appreciate everyone who&#8217;s posted and responded not just to this but to other posts too. </p>
<p>CFSince 6/Feh - It&#8217;s an industry.  And they have found the perfect market. Like you say, demand and supply. And a distinct lack of common sense. Watch for infertility counselling to take off. After all the money spend on the IVF of course.</p>
<p>Lisa - The most annoying thing about their fixation (which I don&#8217;t understand) is that everyone is expected to sympathise with them.  No can do. it also entrenches the lie that every woman wants to have children and will do anything to have one and that any other experience is second best.</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2008/06/23/infertile-what-about-the-childfree-choice/#comment-13672</link>
		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss Q - I actually meant you, not Pendrift... ;) Anyway I think the link is what caused it. My set up thought it was  a spam link...(I have a spam-unfriendly setting) which of course it wasn't. 

Good on you for trying again. Thanks for that site though...a great post. Look out for my opinion on it in the not too distant future.

All - When I think of these women shelling out hundreds of thousands because they must have a bio-baby to feel "like a woman" or whatever other need they must fill and then I think of all the poor kids who have been abandoned and who would truly benefit from a loving home.. it makes me want to throw up. If they can't have kids there is also the childfree option, but while having a baby is an obesssion (fuelled by the hypcritical IVF clinics that is never going to be presented. For every post talking of a successful adoption, one pops up with an adoption story of woe).  I was going to suggest these women get a life, but then I thought their retort would be that's exactly what they are trying to do. Not. Their need seems to be less about selfless parenting and more about selfish need.  And for this, they want sympathy?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss Q - I actually meant you, not Pendrift&#8230; <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> Anyway I think the link is what caused it. My set up thought it was  a spam link&#8230;(I have a spam-unfriendly setting) which of course it wasn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Good on you for trying again. Thanks for that site though&#8230;a great post. Look out for my opinion on it in the not too distant future.</p>
<p>All - When I think of these women shelling out hundreds of thousands because they must have a bio-baby to feel &#8220;like a woman&#8221; or whatever other need they must fill and then I think of all the poor kids who have been abandoned and who would truly benefit from a loving home.. it makes me want to throw up. If they can&#8217;t have kids there is also the childfree option, but while having a baby is an obesssion (fuelled by the hypcritical IVF clinics that is never going to be presented. For every post talking of a successful adoption, one pops up with an adoption story of woe).  I was going to suggest these women get a life, but then I thought their retort would be that&#8217;s exactly what they are trying to do. Not. Their need seems to be less about selfless parenting and more about selfish need.  And for this, they want sympathy?!</p>
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