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	<title>Comments on: Raising Kids Right: Just Sacrifice and Stay Home</title>
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		<title>By: roxetterachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>roxetterachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be more apt to target just how a family spends their money when looking at this issue. Is the potential-stay-at-home parent working solely to pay off the new motorboat, or items/debt that isn&#039;t totally necessary? 

I don&#039;t believe a parent needs to stay at home, nor should anyone be telling people that&#039;s what they need to do. However, I do believe when making the choice to have kids, those kids should definitely be the priority.

I think a big problem today is that parents want to have their cake and eat it too--living beyond their means financially to pay for extra luxuries and in turn, sacrificing time with their children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be more apt to target just how a family spends their money when looking at this issue. Is the potential-stay-at-home parent working solely to pay off the new motorboat, or items/debt that isn&#8217;t totally necessary? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe a parent needs to stay at home, nor should anyone be telling people that&#8217;s what they need to do. However, I do believe when making the choice to have kids, those kids should definitely be the priority.</p>
<p>I think a big problem today is that parents want to have their cake and eat it too&#8211;living beyond their means financially to pay for extra luxuries and in turn, sacrificing time with their children.</p>
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		<title>By: LiveBingo</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/06/19/raising-kids-right-just-sacrifice-and-stay-home/comment-page-1/#comment-16527</link>
		<dc:creator>LiveBingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I can see how she meant well. If more people really considered the many, many ramifications of having children, some people who aren’t financially ready would put off sailing in. And I do think that if people are going to make the decision to raise children, they ought to parent more than a couple of hours a day. But to imply that people should abandon daycare and stay at home is ludicrous. Kids are too expensive for most people to live that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I can see how she meant well. If more people really considered the many, many ramifications of having children, some people who aren’t financially ready would put off sailing in. And I do think that if people are going to make the decision to raise children, they ought to parent more than a couple of hours a day. But to imply that people should abandon daycare and stay at home is ludicrous. Kids are too expensive for most people to live that way.</p>
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		<title>By: heirloom beds</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/06/19/raising-kids-right-just-sacrifice-and-stay-home/comment-page-1/#comment-16497</link>
		<dc:creator>heirloom beds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Become aware of what your kid&#039;s are watching on t.v. Sit down and watch it with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Become aware of what your kid&#8217;s are watching on t.v. Sit down and watch it with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, it&#039;s not so much about one parent needing to be at home as it is about the anti-human, false, capitalistic economy demanding that ALL people spend the majority of their waking hours for the majority of their lives AWAY from home, working as wage slaves, creating profits for those at the top, while usually engaged in largely abstract, unproductive paper-shuffling.  This isn&#039;t what life&#039;s about.  The problems experienced by working parents (which, really, is all parents in our culture) just make unavoidably obvious the absurdity of the whole setup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, it&#8217;s not so much about one parent needing to be at home as it is about the anti-human, false, capitalistic economy demanding that ALL people spend the majority of their waking hours for the majority of their lives AWAY from home, working as wage slaves, creating profits for those at the top, while usually engaged in largely abstract, unproductive paper-shuffling.  This isn&#8217;t what life&#8217;s about.  The problems experienced by working parents (which, really, is all parents in our culture) just make unavoidably obvious the absurdity of the whole setup.</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever anyone starts saying one should do anything, it sets of warning bells. Even stupid politicians who should know better still don&#039;t get it. All they do is show how out of touch they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever anyone starts saying one should do anything, it sets of warning bells. Even stupid politicians who should know better still don&#8217;t get it. All they do is show how out of touch they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly don&#039;t care what people do, so long as they don&#039;t whine about how haaaaard it all is. (Occasional bitching between friends is fine - everyone knows these rules in their heart of hearts.) But the idea that one parent (usually, if they&#039;re honest, the mother) ABSOLUTELY MUST STAY AT HOME is stupid. For one thing, it leaves many mothers afraid to admit that they want to have a job, regardless of whether they really *need* the money. That&#039;s unfair. On another note - closely related - it leads to the idea, which we periodically see in Ireland, that mothers must be subsidised to stay at home, and everyone else must make sure that they never face any negative consequences. That politician&#039;s idea is patronising and the idea eventually hurts everyone. Butt out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don&#8217;t care what people do, so long as they don&#8217;t whine about how haaaaard it all is. (Occasional bitching between friends is fine &#8211; everyone knows these rules in their heart of hearts.) But the idea that one parent (usually, if they&#8217;re honest, the mother) ABSOLUTELY MUST STAY AT HOME is stupid. For one thing, it leaves many mothers afraid to admit that they want to have a job, regardless of whether they really *need* the money. That&#8217;s unfair. On another note &#8211; closely related &#8211; it leads to the idea, which we periodically see in Ireland, that mothers must be subsidised to stay at home, and everyone else must make sure that they never face any negative consequences. That politician&#8217;s idea is patronising and the idea eventually hurts everyone. Butt out!</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tricia, another Alberta resident here! &quot;waves&quot; Great commentary on the state of Alberta, BTW :-)

You&#039;d think that parents, of all people, would know better than to tell other parents what to do. As Britgirl says, maybe it&#039;s about time we just stayed out of each other&#039;s business and got on with raising kids fullstop, instead of being so damn concerned with everybody else&#039;s opinions. Everyone&#039;s situation is different. Some women are thrilled to be SAHM&#039;s, and others would go stir crazy. Some kids thrive on being away from their parents, some don&#039;t. Some mothers have to work just to make ends meet, because living is expensive and getting more so every year. And some parents are so screwed up that the more time their kids spend with others, the better off they are.

I remember a very similar debate when they bought in the federal family tax credit. There was a lot of screaming about how the money should be spent on licensing and improving standards in approved daycares, but the government&#039;s take (quite rightly, to my mind) was that the money should be spent in whatever way the family needed - because every family unit is different. Hallelujah. At least someone recognised that.

It&#039;s just like everything else with raising children. There is no black and white, it&#039;s all shades of grey and highly dependent on our makeup as individuals. What works for one isn&#039;t going to work for all, so give up trying to find the universal solution. As long as the kids are happy and healthy, who cares how they got there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tricia, another Alberta resident here! &#8220;waves&#8221; Great commentary on the state of Alberta, BTW <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You&#8217;d think that parents, of all people, would know better than to tell other parents what to do. As Britgirl says, maybe it&#8217;s about time we just stayed out of each other&#8217;s business and got on with raising kids fullstop, instead of being so damn concerned with everybody else&#8217;s opinions. Everyone&#8217;s situation is different. Some women are thrilled to be SAHM&#8217;s, and others would go stir crazy. Some kids thrive on being away from their parents, some don&#8217;t. Some mothers have to work just to make ends meet, because living is expensive and getting more so every year. And some parents are so screwed up that the more time their kids spend with others, the better off they are.</p>
<p>I remember a very similar debate when they bought in the federal family tax credit. There was a lot of screaming about how the money should be spent on licensing and improving standards in approved daycares, but the government&#8217;s take (quite rightly, to my mind) was that the money should be spent in whatever way the family needed &#8211; because every family unit is different. Hallelujah. At least someone recognised that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just like everything else with raising children. There is no black and white, it&#8217;s all shades of grey and highly dependent on our makeup as individuals. What works for one isn&#8217;t going to work for all, so give up trying to find the universal solution. As long as the kids are happy and healthy, who cares how they got there?</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s one thing to say that&#039;s what you believe and practice, but adding that little &quot;should&quot; indicates that it&#039;s something you think all people should adhere to. While I&#039;m childfree, I find the intersectionality around reproductive choices interesting: you can draw the inference that since the &quot;proper&quot; family should be able to afford a stay-at-home-parent, the families that don&#039;t are shouldn&#039;t have kids - it tends to break down along class and race lines by valuing some families more than others and really feeds in xenophobic and anti-immigrant sentiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s one thing to say that&#8217;s what you believe and practice, but adding that little &#8220;should&#8221; indicates that it&#8217;s something you think all people should adhere to. While I&#8217;m childfree, I find the intersectionality around reproductive choices interesting: you can draw the inference that since the &#8220;proper&#8221; family should be able to afford a stay-at-home-parent, the families that don&#8217;t are shouldn&#8217;t have kids &#8211; it tends to break down along class and race lines by valuing some families more than others and really feeds in xenophobic and anti-immigrant sentiment.</p>
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		<title>By: tricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>tricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I&#039;ve only lived in Canada for four years, but it seems to me that these kinds of provincial, narrow-minded opinions are what Alberta is known for. Am I right? And it also merits mention that the Liberal politician who started this whole kerfuffle is a man whose wife stayed at home with their kids. It&#039;s just political mudslinging, something designed to get people worked up over something emotional so that they don&#039;t worry about other issues. Blanket statements like this are characteristic of the political back-and-forth that goes on when these two parties are thinking about elections. 

Whew. Let&#039;s shake off my Canadian politics rant.

I guess I can see how she meant well. If more people really considered the many, many ramifications of having children, some people who aren&#039;t financially ready would put off sailing in. And I do think that if people are going to make the decision to raise children, they ought to parent more than a couple of hours a day. But to imply that people should abandon daycare and stay at home is ludicrous. Kids are too expensive for most people to live that way. 

Here is something I was surprised to learn when I moved here that may shed a little light for some of your readers: In the article, she condemns putting children in daycare. At least in Ontario, the term &quot;daycare&quot; can mean anything--from an actual facility with childcare workers, or just a home where people drop off their kids during the work day. Anyone can have a daycare here. 

http://www.gov.on.ca/children/english/programs/beststart/care/STEL01_136527.html

Let me quote: &quot;In Ontario, caregivers who look after five or fewer unrelated children under the age of 10 do not have to be licensed.&quot; Basically, anyone can babysit five children and legally call that a job. Let me tell you--in my dinky little suburb, there are a LOT of people who do this for a living, and the slots fill quickly. When the flyers go up around the mailboxes to announce openings, the little tear-off strips at the bottoms are gone in hours.  Otherwise-qualified childcare is vastly more expensive and even harder to get into. In Alberta, they&#039;ve experienced a population boom in the past ten years or so, and I&#039;m sure the situation is even more dire there. 

I think where she dropped the ball is that she implied that parents who use daycare are expecting the daycare provider to &quot;raise&quot; their children. People who expect that from an unrelated provider whose attention is split between several children--no matter their qualifications--are sure to be disappointed. This is not to say that helicopter parenting is called for, either. To me, stay-at-home mom-ness (or dad-ness) starts the slippery slope to homeschooling (and don&#039;t get me started on *that* today).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I&#8217;ve only lived in Canada for four years, but it seems to me that these kinds of provincial, narrow-minded opinions are what Alberta is known for. Am I right? And it also merits mention that the Liberal politician who started this whole kerfuffle is a man whose wife stayed at home with their kids. It&#8217;s just political mudslinging, something designed to get people worked up over something emotional so that they don&#8217;t worry about other issues. Blanket statements like this are characteristic of the political back-and-forth that goes on when these two parties are thinking about elections. </p>
<p>Whew. Let&#8217;s shake off my Canadian politics rant.</p>
<p>I guess I can see how she meant well. If more people really considered the many, many ramifications of having children, some people who aren&#8217;t financially ready would put off sailing in. And I do think that if people are going to make the decision to raise children, they ought to parent more than a couple of hours a day. But to imply that people should abandon daycare and stay at home is ludicrous. Kids are too expensive for most people to live that way. </p>
<p>Here is something I was surprised to learn when I moved here that may shed a little light for some of your readers: In the article, she condemns putting children in daycare. At least in Ontario, the term &#8220;daycare&#8221; can mean anything&#8211;from an actual facility with childcare workers, or just a home where people drop off their kids during the work day. Anyone can have a daycare here. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gov.on.ca/children/english/programs/beststart/care/STEL01_136527.html">http://www.gov.on.ca/children/english/programs/beststart/care/STEL01_136527.html</a></p>
<p>Let me quote: &#8220;In Ontario, caregivers who look after five or fewer unrelated children under the age of 10 do not have to be licensed.&#8221; Basically, anyone can babysit five children and legally call that a job. Let me tell you&#8211;in my dinky little suburb, there are a LOT of people who do this for a living, and the slots fill quickly. When the flyers go up around the mailboxes to announce openings, the little tear-off strips at the bottoms are gone in hours.  Otherwise-qualified childcare is vastly more expensive and even harder to get into. In Alberta, they&#8217;ve experienced a population boom in the past ten years or so, and I&#8217;m sure the situation is even more dire there. </p>
<p>I think where she dropped the ball is that she implied that parents who use daycare are expecting the daycare provider to &#8220;raise&#8221; their children. People who expect that from an unrelated provider whose attention is split between several children&#8211;no matter their qualifications&#8211;are sure to be disappointed. This is not to say that helicopter parenting is called for, either. To me, stay-at-home mom-ness (or dad-ness) starts the slippery slope to homeschooling (and don&#8217;t get me started on *that* today).</p>
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