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	<title>Comments on: IVF and the business of baby-making &#8211; a Childfree view</title>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-17926</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 06:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HERE! HERE! Well said!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thought of  tax dollars going to fund IVF makes me want to heave. As the writer says, why is the NHS paying for this treatment at all, let alone one with such a high failure rate. Just one cycle costs thousands of pounds, so no way is it cheap treatment. In a time of stretched funds, spending by the NHS on IVF means some other person who does need real life saving treatment is not going to get it or is going to have to wait. 

Why should they feed the children of alcoholic or addicted parents? Or pay the health costs of obese people or diabetics who can&#039;t give up cookies?? Perhaps they could foot ttheir own bills too since their irresponsible behavior is largely to blame. Much infertility is out of the control of the person (or couple). Can we say the same for diabetics, cardiac patients, the obese etc...?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thought of  tax dollars going to fund IVF makes me want to heave. As the writer says, why is the NHS paying for this treatment at all, let alone one with such a high failure rate. Just one cycle costs thousands of pounds, so no way is it cheap treatment. In a time of stretched funds, spending by the NHS on IVF means some other person who does need real life saving treatment is not going to get it or is going to have to wait. </p>
<p>Why should they feed the children of alcoholic or addicted parents? Or pay the health costs of obese people or diabetics who can&#8217;t give up cookies?? Perhaps they could foot ttheir own bills too since their irresponsible behavior is largely to blame. Much infertility is out of the control of the person (or couple). Can we say the same for diabetics, cardiac patients, the obese etc&#8230;?????</p>
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		<title>By: Xena</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-17483</link>
		<dc:creator>Xena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing infertility to a terminal illness is appalling.  Desire for a child of your own flesh and blood is an issue of vanity.  I do not want my tax dollars going toward IVF anymore than any other vanity item whether it be a nose job or hair plugs.  Then again, at least those things don’t contribute to overpopulation, which is degrading the environment we all share.  Furthermore, IVF is a “gift that keeps giving”.  Meaning, IVF babies are much more likely to be multiples and premies which have chronic health problems, also to be footed by the taxpayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing infertility to a terminal illness is appalling.  Desire for a child of your own flesh and blood is an issue of vanity.  I do not want my tax dollars going toward IVF anymore than any other vanity item whether it be a nose job or hair plugs.  Then again, at least those things don’t contribute to overpopulation, which is degrading the environment we all share.  Furthermore, IVF is a “gift that keeps giving”.  Meaning, IVF babies are much more likely to be multiples and premies which have chronic health problems, also to be footed by the taxpayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-17481</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are most certainly moral issues surrounding IVF that speak to whether it is right or wrong.  But that is another topic.  As far as payment goes, if the universal health coverage bill is passed in the U.S. it will NEVER cover IVF.  It is far from a fail proof procedure, (can take several rounds if it works at all).  It  is an expensive elective procedure that is not required to save a life or to maintain a good quality of life. If you read the news, the AMA is already sending their expensive lobbyists to Washington to fight universal health care.  The insurance companies are already sending their lobbyists to Washington to fight universal health care.  Any procedure with a high profit margin such as IVF is not going to be paid for by insurance companies.  The doctors don&#039;t want it, the clinics don&#039;t want and the insurance co&#039;s don&#039;t want it.  They barely cover life and death medical procedures. Trust me, you will not be getting an insurance card in the mail that will allow you to walk into a fertility clinic to have IVF--not going to happen.   As others have accurately pointed out if you can&#039;t afford IVF yourself, you probably can&#039;t afford to properly care for a child. 

 Again the point of people who WANT children versus those best equipped to parent them is disregarded by those who believe our purpose is to reproduce.  I&#039;ve said this before, but I&#039;ll say it again, 1 out of five children in the U.S. lives in poverty--that translates to tens of millions, many with parents who WANTED to have children.  One of the critical factor in deciding to have children is that you are willing to put them and their needs before your own.  If you can&#039;t do that by evaluating the costs of raising a child or children to adulthood and whether or not you can afford it,  then you really aren&#039;t ready to be a parent,  You can argue all day long that it&#039;s what you WANT but that&#039;s not a relevant point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are most certainly moral issues surrounding IVF that speak to whether it is right or wrong.  But that is another topic.  As far as payment goes, if the universal health coverage bill is passed in the U.S. it will NEVER cover IVF.  It is far from a fail proof procedure, (can take several rounds if it works at all).  It  is an expensive elective procedure that is not required to save a life or to maintain a good quality of life. If you read the news, the AMA is already sending their expensive lobbyists to Washington to fight universal health care.  The insurance companies are already sending their lobbyists to Washington to fight universal health care.  Any procedure with a high profit margin such as IVF is not going to be paid for by insurance companies.  The doctors don&#8217;t want it, the clinics don&#8217;t want and the insurance co&#8217;s don&#8217;t want it.  They barely cover life and death medical procedures. Trust me, you will not be getting an insurance card in the mail that will allow you to walk into a fertility clinic to have IVF&#8211;not going to happen.   As others have accurately pointed out if you can&#8217;t afford IVF yourself, you probably can&#8217;t afford to properly care for a child. </p>
<p> Again the point of people who WANT children versus those best equipped to parent them is disregarded by those who believe our purpose is to reproduce.  I&#8217;ve said this before, but I&#8217;ll say it again, 1 out of five children in the U.S. lives in poverty&#8211;that translates to tens of millions, many with parents who WANTED to have children.  One of the critical factor in deciding to have children is that you are willing to put them and their needs before your own.  If you can&#8217;t do that by evaluating the costs of raising a child or children to adulthood and whether or not you can afford it,  then you really aren&#8217;t ready to be a parent,  You can argue all day long that it&#8217;s what you WANT but that&#8217;s not a relevant point.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-17480</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Britgirl: Your blog, your opinion, of course. However, since you&#039;re admittedly child-free and have no plans to ever have children, I suspect you&#039;re probably a bit bias on the subject. You don&#039;t want to have something covered that you&#039;re never going to need. Millions of people who do want children probably feel otherwise. I really don&#039;t think there&#039;s a right or wrong answer here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Britgirl: Your blog, your opinion, of course. However, since you&#8217;re admittedly child-free and have no plans to ever have children, I suspect you&#8217;re probably a bit bias on the subject. You don&#8217;t want to have something covered that you&#8217;re never going to need. Millions of people who do want children probably feel otherwise. I really don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a right or wrong answer here.</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-17473</link>
		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Melissa: 1 - I come from the UK where the size of one&#039;s wallet does not determine whether they live or die. I have also used private health care in the UK via my company Insurance - I paid premiums. Comparing preventing a person from dying to someone who wants a baby is a non-starter - there is no comparison as far as I am concerned - except in the mind of the person who happens to want a baby and makes it a life or death issue. It isn&#039;t. Hence your question is moot. Again, if you can&#039;t afford to pay for IVF, don&#039;t expect the taxpayer to pick up the bill. It is non-essential. You will have to put your money where your mouth is and fork out the money for it - if it&#039;s really that important to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Melissa: 1 &#8211; I come from the UK where the size of one&#8217;s wallet does not determine whether they live or die. I have also used private health care in the UK via my company Insurance &#8211; I paid premiums. Comparing preventing a person from dying to someone who wants a baby is a non-starter &#8211; there is no comparison as far as I am concerned &#8211; except in the mind of the person who happens to want a baby and makes it a life or death issue. It isn&#8217;t. Hence your question is moot. Again, if you can&#8217;t afford to pay for IVF, don&#8217;t expect the taxpayer to pick up the bill. It is non-essential. You will have to put your money where your mouth is and fork out the money for it &#8211; if it&#8217;s really that important to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An old post I know but Melissa if
you feel you are put here to have children, if that&#039;s so, as has been said it&#039;s up to you to fund the having of them yourself. It&#039;s not my concern, quite frankly, if someone has a &quot;want&quot; or a &quot;need&quot; to reproduce themselves. And as for paying for them to have IVF from my tax dollars... forget it. Want IVF? Pay for it yourself instead of demanding the public purse chips in. People can&#039;t afford the price and for some reason they expect people to pony up and help them pay for it. Why? Because they WANT a child. Not good enough.

 @nerd has already laid out that there is no life-threatening comparison as many would have us believe. Did someone already say that just because you have the right to do something doesn&#039;t mean you should? Well, it&#039;s true...There are plenty of kids who need parenting and who are already here - insisting on having expensive IVF because you want your own flesh and blood... then you have to be able to afford it yourself. My hard earned tax dollars should not be paying for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An old post I know but Melissa if<br />
you feel you are put here to have children, if that&#8217;s so, as has been said it&#8217;s up to you to fund the having of them yourself. It&#8217;s not my concern, quite frankly, if someone has a &#8220;want&#8221; or a &#8220;need&#8221; to reproduce themselves. And as for paying for them to have IVF from my tax dollars&#8230; forget it. Want IVF? Pay for it yourself instead of demanding the public purse chips in. People can&#8217;t afford the price and for some reason they expect people to pony up and help them pay for it. Why? Because they WANT a child. Not good enough.</p>
<p> @nerd has already laid out that there is no life-threatening comparison as many would have us believe. Did someone already say that just because you have the right to do something doesn&#8217;t mean you should? Well, it&#8217;s true&#8230;There are plenty of kids who need parenting and who are already here &#8211; insisting on having expensive IVF because you want your own flesh and blood&#8230; then you have to be able to afford it yourself. My hard earned tax dollars should not be paying for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-17467</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nerd: Point taken re: terminal illness.

However, let me ask you this. Do you think you should have to pay to treat someone you do not know who is dying from a terminal disease and cannot afford healthcare? Should I have to pay for that relative of yours who you unconditionally love if they CANNOT afford healthcare? Well, if you want to know my opinion...it&#039;s YES. I think as taxpayers we should chip in for what should be everybody&#039;s right: to be healthy if they are sick, to have children if they need help...among other things. I believe we were put on this earth to have children, and if someone cannot then I believe in assisting them TO A DEGREE. I do think there needs to be a cut-off point if it&#039;s clear it&#039;s not going to work..but I do not know who has the right to determine that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nerd: Point taken re: terminal illness.</p>
<p>However, let me ask you this. Do you think you should have to pay to treat someone you do not know who is dying from a terminal disease and cannot afford healthcare? Should I have to pay for that relative of yours who you unconditionally love if they CANNOT afford healthcare? Well, if you want to know my opinion&#8230;it&#8217;s YES. I think as taxpayers we should chip in for what should be everybody&#8217;s right: to be healthy if they are sick, to have children if they need help&#8230;among other things. I believe we were put on this earth to have children, and if someone cannot then I believe in assisting them TO A DEGREE. I do think there needs to be a cut-off point if it&#8217;s clear it&#8217;s not going to work..but I do not know who has the right to determine that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-17466</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Nerd--very well said. I agree with everything you posted.  Unfortunately, I can relate to you in your experience.  You have my deepest sympathy and empathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Nerd&#8211;very well said. I agree with everything you posted.  Unfortunately, I can relate to you in your experience.  You have my deepest sympathy and empathy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-17465</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melissa--I&#039;m not sure what you mean by &#039;older&quot; in your post regarding restrictions placed on adoption in the U.S., but I live in the U.S. and personally know two people who were in their early forties to mid-forties and adopted here.  The entire process took approx one year--three months longer than a pregnancy.  

I do know there are age restrictions placed on people in Europe who want to adopt, specifically Italy--you can only be a certain number of years older (I think it is around 43)  than the child you would like to adopt. As it should be and for good reason.  I believe that anyone who is fifty or older and wants to adopt needs to seriously consider whether or not they are being fair to the child.  It&#039;s not just about wanting to be a parent, it is about quality of life for the child.  That should be paramount.  While there are no guarantees for anyone of any age who has a child that they will be around until he/she reaches adulthood, obviously the odds are in favor of younger parents.  

It is factually incorrect that gays cannot adopt in the U.S.

As far as IVF goes, again, my personal opinion is that there should be a cut-off point by age. I just read an article in a U.S. magazine about a women who had twins at 61 and another woman who had them at 50.  The 61 year old said that she planned on being around to dance at her childrens&#039; 40th birthday party and if she wasn&#039;t they would have each other.  In her delusional opinion it is about the quality of the experience they have as children. Hunh?  If she doesn&#039;t make it past 70, does she really believe that the two ten year olds will be able to care for one another or have a great experience as orphans. More selfish magical thinking based on some fantasy about parenting, which absolutely is not putting her children first.  For whatever reason she wanted to experience motherhood at 60 and by God, she&#039;s going to do it, whoever else be damned.  

Guidelines need to be put into place that actually protect future children born to IVF.  As has been proven over and over, many in the medical profession are profit maximizers which is not really surprising, but a greedy doctor&#039;s willingness to take Visa or Mastercard should not be the determining factor as to who should become a parent.  I always thought that that it went without saying that just because you can do something doesn&#039;t mean you should.  But I guess not, so I just said it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa&#8211;I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8216;older&#8221; in your post regarding restrictions placed on adoption in the U.S., but I live in the U.S. and personally know two people who were in their early forties to mid-forties and adopted here.  The entire process took approx one year&#8211;three months longer than a pregnancy.  </p>
<p>I do know there are age restrictions placed on people in Europe who want to adopt, specifically Italy&#8211;you can only be a certain number of years older (I think it is around 43)  than the child you would like to adopt. As it should be and for good reason.  I believe that anyone who is fifty or older and wants to adopt needs to seriously consider whether or not they are being fair to the child.  It&#8217;s not just about wanting to be a parent, it is about quality of life for the child.  That should be paramount.  While there are no guarantees for anyone of any age who has a child that they will be around until he/she reaches adulthood, obviously the odds are in favor of younger parents.  </p>
<p>It is factually incorrect that gays cannot adopt in the U.S.</p>
<p>As far as IVF goes, again, my personal opinion is that there should be a cut-off point by age. I just read an article in a U.S. magazine about a women who had twins at 61 and another woman who had them at 50.  The 61 year old said that she planned on being around to dance at her childrens&#8217; 40th birthday party and if she wasn&#8217;t they would have each other.  In her delusional opinion it is about the quality of the experience they have as children. Hunh?  If she doesn&#8217;t make it past 70, does she really believe that the two ten year olds will be able to care for one another or have a great experience as orphans. More selfish magical thinking based on some fantasy about parenting, which absolutely is not putting her children first.  For whatever reason she wanted to experience motherhood at 60 and by God, she&#8217;s going to do it, whoever else be damned.  </p>
<p>Guidelines need to be put into place that actually protect future children born to IVF.  As has been proven over and over, many in the medical profession are profit maximizers which is not really surprising, but a greedy doctor&#8217;s willingness to take Visa or Mastercard should not be the determining factor as to who should become a parent.  I always thought that that it went without saying that just because you can do something doesn&#8217;t mean you should.  But I guess not, so I just said it again.</p>
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		<title>By: nerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>nerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For some people, not being able to have children is like having a terminal disease.&quot;

Do you really think that? Really? You believe that wanting a baby is akin to terminal illness?
Let me ask you something.
Have you ever nursed a relative who was dying of a terminal illness? Have you ever watched someone you love unconditionally slowly deteriorate day by day until they are totally paralysed, when they cannot even swallow or lift a hand off the bed? Have you watched someone you love in such excruciating amounts of pain that they are litterally screaming in agony even as the doctor arrives and injects them with morphine or fentanyl? Have you watched someone you love lose their ability to speak or communicate, become incontinent, lose their sight and most of their hearing?
Have you sat with that person 5 days before their death and realised that you are looking into their eyes for the last time ever as they slip into a coma, and felt the total and utter loss and devastation that occurs within you at that moment?

I do not see how anyone can even begin to compare the two - having a terminal illness and wanting a baby. To try and draw that comparison is sick, insensitive and deeply ignorant. 
The desire to have a child is purely selfish. The world is massively overpopuated already, it certainly does not need a mini-you in it.
You ask if people think it is right that a wealthy person can have fertility treatment when a poorer person cannot. I think it is right. If you cannot afford, out of your own pocket, to pay for the treatment then you certainly do not have the money to raise a family. 
You want a kid so bad? Adopt one. Foster one. Get a job, paid or voluntary, working with abused/abandoned/vulnerable kids. Save up some money and pay for fertility treatment yourself. Get a dog, or a cat or a horse. Whatever. But don&#039;t expect me to pay for it, or help you with it, and do not ever let me hear you in a real, live face to face conversation try to say that wanting a child and not having one is akin to a terminal illness, because I will absolutely take you to pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For some people, not being able to have children is like having a terminal disease.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you really think that? Really? You believe that wanting a baby is akin to terminal illness?<br />
Let me ask you something.<br />
Have you ever nursed a relative who was dying of a terminal illness? Have you ever watched someone you love unconditionally slowly deteriorate day by day until they are totally paralysed, when they cannot even swallow or lift a hand off the bed? Have you watched someone you love in such excruciating amounts of pain that they are litterally screaming in agony even as the doctor arrives and injects them with morphine or fentanyl? Have you watched someone you love lose their ability to speak or communicate, become incontinent, lose their sight and most of their hearing?<br />
Have you sat with that person 5 days before their death and realised that you are looking into their eyes for the last time ever as they slip into a coma, and felt the total and utter loss and devastation that occurs within you at that moment?</p>
<p>I do not see how anyone can even begin to compare the two &#8211; having a terminal illness and wanting a baby. To try and draw that comparison is sick, insensitive and deeply ignorant.<br />
The desire to have a child is purely selfish. The world is massively overpopuated already, it certainly does not need a mini-you in it.<br />
You ask if people think it is right that a wealthy person can have fertility treatment when a poorer person cannot. I think it is right. If you cannot afford, out of your own pocket, to pay for the treatment then you certainly do not have the money to raise a family.<br />
You want a kid so bad? Adopt one. Foster one. Get a job, paid or voluntary, working with abused/abandoned/vulnerable kids. Save up some money and pay for fertility treatment yourself. Get a dog, or a cat or a horse. Whatever. But don&#8217;t expect me to pay for it, or help you with it, and do not ever let me hear you in a real, live face to face conversation try to say that wanting a child and not having one is akin to a terminal illness, because I will absolutely take you to pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-17463</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you aware that while adoption in the US might be free, people who want to adopt cannot, esp. if they are older or, god forbid, gay. Then, even if they are allowed, it can take years and years. Maybe the US should work on getting a better adoption system (which, i might add you, are paid for with your tax dollars) before we give up the notion of also putting tax dollars towards IVF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you aware that while adoption in the US might be free, people who want to adopt cannot, esp. if they are older or, god forbid, gay. Then, even if they are allowed, it can take years and years. Maybe the US should work on getting a better adoption system (which, i might add you, are paid for with your tax dollars) before we give up the notion of also putting tax dollars towards IVF.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-17462</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@og: Have you undergone infertility treatments? If so, do you think you shouldn&#039;t have been allowed to have them if you were less fortunate? If someone had cancer and they were poor, should they have to die b/c they couldn&#039;t afford treatment? For some people, not being able to have children is like having a terminal disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@og: Have you undergone infertility treatments? If so, do you think you shouldn&#8217;t have been allowed to have them if you were less fortunate? If someone had cancer and they were poor, should they have to die b/c they couldn&#8217;t afford treatment? For some people, not being able to have children is like having a terminal disease.</p>
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		<title>By: Should you freeze your eggs?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Should you freeze your eggs?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 03:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Like It Is &quot; IVF and the business of baby-making - a Childfree view [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Like It Is &quot; IVF and the business of baby-making &#8211; a Childfree view [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CFSinceSix</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-16908</link>
		<dc:creator>CFSinceSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at it this way.

The government is willing to take a risk on a possible future tax payer slash consumer. If 3 rounds of IVF at £15k each for a total of £45k could possibly produce a tax payer or consumer that would, hopefully (provided they&#039;re not on the dole their whole lives) bring a higher return than the £45k &quot;investment.&quot; Apparently, that&#039;s as much as they&#039;re willing to &quot;invest.&quot; :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at it this way.</p>
<p>The government is willing to take a risk on a possible future tax payer slash consumer. If 3 rounds of IVF at £15k each for a total of £45k could possibly produce a tax payer or consumer that would, hopefully (provided they&#8217;re not on the dole their whole lives) bring a higher return than the £45k &#8220;investment.&#8221; Apparently, that&#8217;s as much as they&#8217;re willing to &#8220;invest.&#8221; <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: serrin</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-16814</link>
		<dc:creator>serrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue people have with the foster system is that the kids are perceived as disturbed in some way (through abuse etc) and also they are older.

Such people want BABIES not children, who they can mess up in their own way instead of dealing with the way someone else messed up them up first. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue people have with the foster system is that the kids are perceived as disturbed in some way (through abuse etc) and also they are older.</p>
<p>Such people want BABIES not children, who they can mess up in their own way instead of dealing with the way someone else messed up them up first. <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Xena</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-16805</link>
		<dc:creator>Xena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Adoption isn’t any easier in the UK.&quot;

Hi, Britgirl.  I think you misunderstood?  Adoption is FREE in the US.  So many people seem to be unaware of that, though.  I was wondering if the same is true about the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Adoption isn’t any easier in the UK.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hi, Britgirl.  I think you misunderstood?  Adoption is FREE in the US.  So many people seem to be unaware of that, though.  I was wondering if the same is true about the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-16796</link>
		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adoption isn&#039;t any easier in the UK. But what most of these couples say is that adoption isn&#039;t an option (i.e. they don&#039;t want to adopt, at least not at the IVF go-round). They feel they have a right to their &quot;own&quot; baby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adoption isn&#8217;t any easier in the UK. But what most of these couples say is that adoption isn&#8217;t an option (i.e. they don&#8217;t want to adopt, at least not at the IVF go-round). They feel they have a right to their &#8220;own&#8221; baby</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-16792</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: serrin</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2009/08/11/ivf-and-the-business-of-baby-making-a-childfree-view/comment-page-1/#comment-16790</link>
		<dc:creator>serrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to that article, IVF only costs 5-15 thousand pounds. Next to the cost of raising a kid, that&#039;s a pretty miniscule amount. If you don&#039;t earn enough money to save for a couple of years for IVF, can you afford the child?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to that article, IVF only costs 5-15 thousand pounds. Next to the cost of raising a kid, that&#8217;s a pretty miniscule amount. If you don&#8217;t earn enough money to save for a couple of years for IVF, can you afford the child?</p>
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