Comments on: Childfree? Noisy Kids Upstairs? You May Be Asked to Suck it Up http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/ The Interests of a Childfree Brit Living in Toronto Wed, 23 May 2012 19:02:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: amanda http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-20000 amanda Thu, 03 May 2012 09:56:43 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-20000 Thank God I'm not the only one. I sit here typing this at 3am as my downstairs neighbors baby has woken me up with it's crying for the 2nd time this week (and it's only Wednesday!) They just moved in and within a week filed 2 complaints against us. One for a pot smell (this is a military household...there's no pot smoking going on) and one for OUR noise when we came home after a little too much too drink one Friday night. Well, I'm sorry you got woken up ONE FRIDAY night, but what about all the weeknights we have been woken up? And ones like tonight, when my husband has a 24 hour shift tomorrow? He can't take a nap in the middle of the day. We VALUE OUR SLEEP just as much as YOU VALUE YOURS. I understand that there's no off switch on a baby, I get it. I'm not insensitive to the fact that she has a newborn and is probably sleep deprived but that doesn't mean everyone else needs to be too. We didn't have a baby, YOU did. You can't let your baby "cry it out" at 2 in the morning. Furthermore, she chose to just leave her house this evening. I hope there is a baby daddy. I have yet to see one but I'm sure the landlord knows and if there isn't one, hopefully she will take the matter of this mother leaving her screaming child in the house in the middle of the night more seriously than she probably take my complaint of the noise. Which leads me to one last thing....all I read about is how parents with noisy children won't get evicted from noise complaints about them....how is that any different than when my inner toddler comes out after too many beers at happy hour? How come THAT gets to be a valid noise complaint but your screaming child doesn't? Maybe I'll have a baby so I can bend all the rules too. Thank God I’m not the only one. I sit here typing this at 3am as my downstairs neighbors baby has woken me up with it’s crying for the 2nd time this week (and it’s only Wednesday!) They just moved in and within a week filed 2 complaints against us. One for a pot smell (this is a military household…there’s no pot smoking going on) and one for OUR noise when we came home after a little too much too drink one Friday night. Well, I’m sorry you got woken up ONE FRIDAY night, but what about all the weeknights we have been woken up? And ones like tonight, when my husband has a 24 hour shift tomorrow? He can’t take a nap in the middle of the day. We VALUE OUR SLEEP just as much as YOU VALUE YOURS. I understand that there’s no off switch on a baby, I get it. I’m not insensitive to the fact that she has a newborn and is probably sleep deprived but that doesn’t mean everyone else needs to be too. We didn’t have a baby, YOU did. You can’t let your baby “cry it out” at 2 in the morning. Furthermore, she chose to just leave her house this evening. I hope there is a baby daddy. I have yet to see one but I’m sure the landlord knows and if there isn’t one, hopefully she will take the matter of this mother leaving her screaming child in the house in the middle of the night more seriously than she probably take my complaint of the noise. Which leads me to one last thing….all I read about is how parents with noisy children won’t get evicted from noise complaints about them….how is that any different than when my inner toddler comes out after too many beers at happy hour? How come THAT gets to be a valid noise complaint but your screaming child doesn’t? Maybe I’ll have a baby so I can bend all the rules too.

]]> By: Illygirl http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19986 Illygirl Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:28:45 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19986 Also, I have to say it wouldn't bother me at all if it was limited to normal play-times. Like if the kid was just running around and screaming between 12pm - 5pm, I would be way more understanding that they are just playing. Playing is acceptable. But no child should be allowed to play for more than 12 hours a day. That's not playing, that's you being a shitty parent and not making your dumb kid understand the difference between how you act when you're playing vs how you act when you're simply just awake. The parent's argument is that kids should be allowed to play, that they NEED to play. That's true. Now answer for me; what kind of parent allows their child to PLAY from 8am to 10pm? Also, I have to say it wouldn’t bother me at all if it was limited to normal play-times. Like if the kid was just running around and screaming between 12pm – 5pm, I would be way more understanding that they are just playing. Playing is acceptable. But no child should be allowed to play for more than 12 hours a day. That’s not playing, that’s you being a shitty parent and not making your dumb kid understand the difference between how you act when you’re playing vs how you act when you’re simply just awake. The parent’s argument is that kids should be allowed to play, that they NEED to play. That’s true. Now answer for me; what kind of parent allows their child to PLAY from 8am to 10pm?

]]> By: Illygirl http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19985 Illygirl Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:25:17 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19985 I did a quick Google search on "noisy kids upstairs apartment," and came across this article. It does make me feel a little better to know that I'm not the only one going through this, although I feel sorry for us all. I live in an apartment, not a condo, so I'm not sure if I have the "right to quiet enjoyment" that home/condo owners have. When I moved in here, two heavyset guys lived upstairs, and they were loud when they walked, but they were adults, so they didn't go running around and screaming. They did like to do P90X though, and once I had to bang on the ceiling to make them stop, and they quickly cut it out. They were all right, but I was glad when they moved. For months, it was nothing but beautiful silence. Now these stupid kids have moved in. They get up at like 8am and they don't stop running and screaming until about 10pm. In my mind I go through phases of understanding that kids don't know any better and need a place to play, then to thinking that I literally want to break their fat, stupid little stubby legs so they will stop. They literally run everywhere with their dumb little short baby steps, dropping things, falling over, all of that - to the point where the furniture and everything literally vibrates. It's not the kids fault, it's the parent's fault. I have to admit, I'm a little afraid of confronting them about this. They do NOT seem like nice people, they just seem ghetto and too dumb to understand what I would say, even if I was polite. But then, I haven't attempted to talk with them. My mindset is pretty much the mindset of most of you here. Kids do not belong in upstairs apartments, at all. When I was a kid, we couldn't afford a house, and we lived in an apartment. On the bottom floor. In fact, we lived in several apartments, ALWAYS on the bottom floor. Looking back now, I assumed that there was some kind of rule about small kids living on the bottom floor. Sure, kids should be able to live in apartments just like any of us. But ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR. Everyone has the right to parent, but being a parent is a choice that you are not allowed to impose on other people. Period. A person having a child doesn't mean that their neighbors have to live as if they have a child too. If we wanted kids, we'd make our own. Just like everyone has the right to own a dog, but if that dog starts barking and won't stop, it's up to the owner to make it stop. Nobody would question that. Why is it a question when it comes to some dumb turd of a kid? I did a quick Google search on “noisy kids upstairs apartment,” and came across this article. It does make me feel a little better to know that I’m not the only one going through this, although I feel sorry for us all.
I live in an apartment, not a condo, so I’m not sure if I have the “right to quiet enjoyment” that home/condo owners have.
When I moved in here, two heavyset guys lived upstairs, and they were loud when they walked, but they were adults, so they didn’t go running around and screaming. They did like to do P90X though, and once I had to bang on the ceiling to make them stop, and they quickly cut it out. They were all right, but I was glad when they moved. For months, it was nothing but beautiful silence.

Now these stupid kids have moved in. They get up at like 8am and they don’t stop running and screaming until about 10pm. In my mind I go through phases of understanding that kids don’t know any better and need a place to play, then to thinking that I literally want to break their fat, stupid little stubby legs so they will stop. They literally run everywhere with their dumb little short baby steps, dropping things, falling over, all of that – to the point where the furniture and everything literally vibrates. It’s not the kids fault, it’s the parent’s fault. I have to admit, I’m a little afraid of confronting them about this. They do NOT seem like nice people, they just seem ghetto and too dumb to understand what I would say, even if I was polite. But then, I haven’t attempted to talk with them.

My mindset is pretty much the mindset of most of you here. Kids do not belong in upstairs apartments, at all. When I was a kid, we couldn’t afford a house, and we lived in an apartment. On the bottom floor. In fact, we lived in several apartments, ALWAYS on the bottom floor. Looking back now, I assumed that there was some kind of rule about small kids living on the bottom floor. Sure, kids should be able to live in apartments just like any of us. But ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.

Everyone has the right to parent, but being a parent is a choice that you are not allowed to impose on other people. Period. A person having a child doesn’t mean that their neighbors have to live as if they have a child too. If we wanted kids, we’d make our own. Just like everyone has the right to own a dog, but if that dog starts barking and won’t stop, it’s up to the owner to make it stop. Nobody would question that. Why is it a question when it comes to some dumb turd of a kid?

]]> By: b-girl http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19960 b-girl Mon, 09 Apr 2012 05:00:12 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19960 Great post. I think there must have been some sort of cultural shift since I was a young kid in the late 70's & early 80's, because I am sure I was not allowed to act like kids do in public now. As someone who has zero interest in children, I get really irritated when people use the fact that a kid is "just a little kid" as an excuse for the child disturbing everyone around them. I have contemplated using my best "sailor speak" when people with ill-behaved children get seated at the next table at restaurants, but I am too considerate of others to actually do that. A friend and I had to end our conversation early a few months ago because the ice cream parlor (at 10 PM on a school night) was invaded by 20+ middle school children who were talking so loud the staff couldn't even hear the ones trying to order. The adults supposedly responsible for them weren't doing anything about trying to get them lined up and quieted down long enough to order. When my friend and I got up to leave one of the adults made a comment to us about having chased us out and that the kids were just having a good time. I've never lived with upstairs neighbors, but did pet-sit for a friend in a basement apartment; the upstairs neighbors had running kids. It was sooooo annoying that I made a point of vacuuming after the kids had gone to bed. Great post. I think there must have been some sort of cultural shift since I was a young kid in the late 70′s & early 80′s, because I am sure I was not allowed to act like kids do in public now. As someone who has zero interest in children, I get really irritated when people use the fact that a kid is “just a little kid” as an excuse for the child disturbing everyone around them. I have contemplated using my best “sailor speak” when people with ill-behaved children get seated at the next table at restaurants, but I am too considerate of others to actually do that.

A friend and I had to end our conversation early a few months ago because the ice cream parlor (at 10 PM on a school night) was invaded by 20+ middle school children who were talking so loud the staff couldn’t even hear the ones trying to order. The adults supposedly responsible for them weren’t doing anything about trying to get them lined up and quieted down long enough to order. When my friend and I got up to leave one of the adults made a comment to us about having chased us out and that the kids were just having a good time.

I’ve never lived with upstairs neighbors, but did pet-sit for a friend in a basement apartment; the upstairs neighbors had running kids. It was sooooo annoying that I made a point of vacuuming after the kids had gone to bed.

]]> By: David Whale http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19959 David Whale Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:30:23 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19959 What an intelligent response. Fucking moron. What an intelligent response. Fucking moron.

]]> By: Britgirl http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19957 Britgirl Sat, 07 Apr 2012 21:26:24 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19957 Hopefully someone who lives in NYC can help. But you can also Google it or post something on Yahoo answers. You might be surprised at what comes up as others have probably experience what you have too. There must be some laws somewhere - I would also try your local library. And as a first step the management might want to step up their involvement as I'd say they are neglecting in their duty thus far. Any court action is going to show them up. Hopefully someone who lives in NYC can help. But you can also Google it or post something on Yahoo answers. You might be surprised at what comes up as others have probably experience what you have too. There must be some laws somewhere – I would also try your local library. And as a first step the management might want to step up their involvement as I’d say they are neglecting in their duty thus far. Any court action is going to show them up.

]]> By: Britgirl http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19956 Britgirl Sat, 07 Apr 2012 21:21:08 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19956 I wonder where it is written that the right to enjoy one's home in peace and quite ceases to apply if one has neighbours who have kids. Maybe the law needs to come into play more often - might send a message to other culprits. And I blame the parents of these noisemaker kids. It is their fault and their responsibility to ensure their offspring do not ruin the quality of life for others. It is not our job to "understand." I wonder where it is written that the right to enjoy one’s home in peace and quite ceases to apply if one has neighbours who have kids. Maybe the law needs to come into play more often – might send a message to other culprits. And I blame the parents of these noisemaker kids. It is their fault and their responsibility to ensure their offspring do not ruin the quality of life for others. It is not our job to “understand.”

]]> By: Britgirl http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19955 Britgirl Sat, 07 Apr 2012 21:14:57 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19955 Good to see that you were no longer prepared to put up with the nonsense. The sense of entitlement and lack of thought for others by some parents is shocking. Completely irresponsible and selfish. I - and my five siblings were brought up in flats and we we're taught by our PARENTS (gasp!) that it was rude to make noise that would disturb neighbours and therefore we should not do it. Yes we had to be hushed from time to time as children do get rowdy when they play. We kept the noise down. Fortunately where I live now (our condo) we don't get the kind of soul destroying noise we are reading about in this thread. And there are strict rules about when people can allow any noise that might disturb others. But if we did they would be getting a fight back from us - with the courts if need be. It is such a shame that some parents are so downright inconsiderate and selfish. Good for you for not taking it. I felt good just reading your last post. Good to see that you were no longer prepared to put up with the nonsense. The sense of entitlement and lack of thought for others by some parents is shocking. Completely irresponsible and selfish. I – and my five siblings were brought up in flats and we we’re taught by our PARENTS (gasp!) that it was rude to make noise that would disturb neighbours and therefore we should not do it. Yes we had to be hushed from time to time as children do get rowdy when they play.

We kept the noise down. Fortunately where I live now (our condo) we don’t get the kind of soul destroying noise we are reading about in this thread. And there are strict rules about when people can allow any noise that might disturb others.

But if we did they would be getting a fight back from us – with the courts if need be.
It is such a shame that some parents are so downright inconsiderate and selfish.
Good for you for not taking it. I felt good just reading your last post.

]]> By: David Whale http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19954 David Whale Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:57:46 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19954 Well said. Having kids is a choice Jenna. Why should everyone else have to put up with the consequences of that choice when they had nothing to do with making it? Your kids and the noise they make are your responsibility. No-one forced you to have them. When I was a child I was brought up in a predominantly working class area where lots of people worked night shifts and needed rest and quiet during the day. There was absolutely no question about being allowed to disturb people. Even babies were swiftly hushed if they made too much noise. Go learn some parenting skills and stop expecting the rest of the world to do the job for you. Downstairs neighbours don"have" to understand anything just because you say so - certainly no more than you "have" to understand that having a noise-free environment is a right not a privilege. Deal with it or move. Well said. Having kids is a choice Jenna. Why should everyone else have to put up with the consequences of that choice when they had nothing to do with making it? Your kids and the noise they make are your responsibility. No-one forced you to have them. When I was a child I was brought up in a predominantly working class area where lots of people worked night shifts and needed rest and quiet during the day. There was absolutely no question about being allowed to disturb people. Even babies were swiftly hushed if they made too much noise. Go learn some parenting skills and stop expecting the rest of the world to do the job for you. Downstairs neighbours don”have” to understand anything just because you say so – certainly no more than you “have” to understand that having a noise-free environment is a right not a privilege. Deal with it or move.

]]> By: David Whale http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19953 David Whale Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:45:09 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19953 I forgot to add that they also leave a stroller the size of a Sherman tank obstructing access and looking totally unsightly in the hallway. The last time I found it there I shoved it outside into the pouring rain where it stayed for seven hours. It's not an ideal situation but it has its advantages. We are both semi-retired so we stay up very late and typically get up late. The offenders upstairs have to get up to go to work (leaving the children with a nanny who selectively loses her ability to speak English whenever she is challenged). The TV now stays on at normal volume until the early hours and they don't dare to complain any more. Daytimes are still a nightmare - especially since I work from home as a therapist so need peace and quite to see clients, write and think - but at least there is some payback. And boy does it feel GOOD!!! I forgot to add that they also leave a stroller the size of a Sherman tank obstructing access and looking totally unsightly in the hallway. The last time I found it there I shoved it outside into the pouring rain where it stayed for seven hours. It’s not an ideal situation but it has its advantages. We are both semi-retired so we stay up very late and typically get up late. The offenders upstairs have to get up to go to work (leaving the children with a nanny who selectively loses her ability to speak English whenever she is challenged). The TV now stays on at normal volume until the early hours and they don’t dare to complain any more. Daytimes are still a nightmare – especially since I work from home as a therapist so need peace and quite to see clients, write and think – but at least there is some payback. And boy does it feel GOOD!!!

]]> By: David Whale http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19952 David Whale Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:35:41 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19952 I don't buy into this nonsense that having children gives people special rights and privileges which override those of others. If you want to talk about discrimination then it doesn't get much more unfair and prejudicial than that. I live with my partner in a pretty upmarket and formerly very quite and respectable mansion block on a large private estate in London (large private estate with 12 acres of landscaped gardens to play in that is) . Two years ago the flat upstairs was bought by absentee landlords who let it out to a couple with two children and an extended family who seem to spend half their lives visiting and living their for extended periods. The oldest child runs up and down all day starting at eight in the morning and going on until ten at night while the baby screams its lungs out every half hour. I challenged the couple about the noise and the extremely unfriendly woman said "He is only two. He makes a lot of noise. What can you expect at that age?". That night I had my tv on until three in the morning without turning it down as I would usually do. When they complained the next day I said "Oh my partner is in his seventies and a little deaf. What can you expect at that age?". Their faces were a picture of impotent rage. I don’t buy into this nonsense that having children gives people special rights and privileges which override those of others. If you want to talk about discrimination then it doesn’t get much more unfair and prejudicial than that. I live with my partner in a pretty upmarket and formerly very quite and respectable mansion block on a large private estate in London (large private estate with 12 acres of landscaped gardens to play in that is) . Two years ago the flat upstairs was bought by absentee landlords who let it out to a couple with two children and an extended family who seem to spend half their lives visiting and living their for extended periods. The oldest child runs up and down all day starting at eight in the morning and going on until ten at night while the baby screams its lungs out every half hour. I challenged the couple about the noise and the extremely unfriendly woman said “He is only two. He makes a lot of noise. What can you expect at that age?”. That night I had my tv on until three in the morning without turning it down as I would usually do. When they complained the next day I said “Oh my partner is in his seventies and a little deaf. What can you expect at that age?”. Their faces were a picture of impotent rage.

]]> By: Kia Mason http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19945 Kia Mason Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:53:44 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19945 How does one check into the noise ordinance laws. I tried calling 311 and I am still in the process of seeing if there is something online. How does one check into the noise ordinance laws. I tried calling 311 and I am still in the process of seeing if there is something online.

]]> By: Kia Mason http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19944 Kia Mason Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:49:11 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19944 But your child is annoy and nerve wracking to your neighbors. But your child is annoy and nerve wracking to your neighbors.

]]> By: Kia Mason http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19943 Kia Mason Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:21:39 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19943 I too have heard that I need to be sensitive to running kids and I feel as if I am at my wits end. I have asked for them to keep it down so many times, I feel like I am going crazy. At this moment I have complained to the landlord and my final step will be taking it to court under my counties noise ordinance laws. I intend to document, document, document because I cant take it anymore and I love my apartment and would rather not move. Do you have any suggestions on how to find out the noise ordinance laws in NYC? I have had it with hearing that “when I have kids, I can tie them to a bed post so they dont run around” Its not fair because people choose to have kids that everyone should have to get stressed out because of them. Just like it is not fair for a smoker to tell an asthmatic to deal with his/her smoking because he has a habit. I too have heard that I need to be sensitive to running kids and I feel as if I am at my wits end. I have asked for them to keep it down so many times, I feel like I am going crazy. At this moment I have complained to the landlord and my final step will be taking it to court under my counties noise ordinance laws. I intend to document, document, document because I cant take it anymore and I love my apartment and would rather not move. Do you have any suggestions on how to find out the noise ordinance laws in NYC? I have had it with hearing that “when I have kids, I can tie them to a bed post so they dont run around” Its not fair because people choose to have kids that everyone should have to get stressed out because of them. Just like it is not fair for a smoker to tell an asthmatic to deal with his/her smoking because he has a habit.

]]> By: Kia Mason http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19942 Kia Mason Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:21:05 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19942 I too have heard that I need to be sensitive to running kids and I feel as if I am at my wits end. I have asked for them to keep it down so many times, I feel like I am going crazy. At this moment I have complained to the landlord and my final step will be taking it to court under my counties noise ordinance laws. I intend to document, document, document because I cant take it anymore and I love my apartment and would rather not move. Do you have any suggestions on how to find out the noise ordinance laws in NYC? I have had it with hearing that "when I have kids, I can tie them to a bed post so they dont run around" Its not fair because people choose to have kids that everyone should have to get stressed out because of them. Just like it is not fair for a smoker to tell an asthmatic to deal with his/her smoking because he has a habit. I too have heard that I need to be sensitive to running kids and I feel as if I am at my wits end. I have asked for them to keep it down so many times, I feel like I am going crazy. At this moment I have complained to the landlord and my final step will be taking it to court under my counties noise ordinance laws. I intend to document, document, document because I cant take it anymore and I love my apartment and would rather not move. Do you have any suggestions on how to find out the noise ordinance laws in NYC? I have had it with hearing that “when I have kids, I can tie them to a bed post so they dont run around” Its not fair because people choose to have kids that everyone should have to get stressed out because of them. Just like it is not fair for a smoker to tell an asthmatic to deal with his/her smoking because he has a habit.

]]> By: Lovekids http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19929 Lovekids Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:15:40 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19929 I hope one day you get in trouble for your discrimination. If you are so sensitive, why don't you get a top floor unit or a freaking house. You are a jerk and I'm happy you are too selfish to bring children in this world. You should not produce off-spring I hope one day you get in trouble for your discrimination. If you are so sensitive, why don’t you get a top floor unit or a freaking house. You are a jerk and I’m happy you are too selfish to bring children in this world. You should not produce off-spring

]]> By: Angry Tenant http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19915 Angry Tenant Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:16:42 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19915 My Fiance and I just moved in to a brand new condo unit on the third (of four) floor. We had the illusion of a peaceful place to live veiled over our eyes because our upstairs neighbours were on vacation during our viewing sessions. Once we were in they returne, with their little engergizer bunny of a demon child who is newly 2 years old. Running, jumping, yelling, dropping things, you name it, I hear it for hours daily. We've spoken with them politely, complained to strata, we now have the propert managment company involved. Strata somehow thinks our complaints are "unjustified! And "quickly bordering harassment". I thouroughly read our strata law agreement and they are violating 3 noise laws and a vibration law. It's suppose to be $200 per violation. So these useless human beings are exempt because they decided the world needs another idiot? Anyway, the property managment company owner is handling our case personally and has assured us that if he cannot solve our problem he will not hold us on our lease and will sue the strata for having forced out a client. I suspect I'll be moving soon, because selfish people conspire with other selfish people. If you have a kid and think it's my job to suck it up because you decided your useless ideals be passed on, what comes around goes around. My Fiance and I just moved in to a brand new condo unit on the third (of four) floor. We had the illusion of a peaceful place to live veiled over our eyes because our upstairs neighbours were on vacation during our viewing sessions. Once we were in they returne, with their little engergizer bunny of a demon child who is newly 2 years old. Running, jumping, yelling, dropping things, you name it, I hear it for hours daily. We’ve spoken with them politely, complained to strata, we now have the propert managment company involved. Strata somehow thinks our complaints are “unjustified! And “quickly bordering harassment”. I thouroughly read our strata law agreement and they are violating 3 noise laws and a vibration law. It’s suppose to be $200 per violation. So these useless human beings are exempt because they decided the world needs another idiot?

Anyway, the property managment company owner is handling our case personally and has assured us that if he cannot solve our problem he will not hold us on our lease and will sue the strata for having forced out a client. I suspect I’ll be moving soon, because selfish people conspire with other selfish people.

If you have a kid and think it’s my job to suck it up because you decided your useless ideals be passed on, what comes around goes around.

]]> By: crying http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19872 crying Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:11:21 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19872 I posted in november as crying and i am happy to say that our landlady let us move to another apartment. This did not happen without a lot of complaining. The lease had some clause in it that after 6 months we could move to another apartment and continue on the same lease. It is better, we are now the upstairs tenants and currently there are no children around us, thank goodness! Good luck to all of you maybe you have something like this in your lease. After 6 months we are still moving hopefully to a single floor flat with no one above or below us. I posted in november as crying and i am happy to say that our landlady let us move to another apartment. This did not happen without a lot of complaining. The lease had some clause in it that after 6 months we could move to another apartment and continue on the same lease. It is better, we are now the upstairs tenants and currently there are no children around us, thank goodness! Good luck to all of you maybe you have something like this in your lease. After 6 months we are still moving hopefully to a single floor flat with no one above or below us.

]]> By: craig http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19856 craig Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:17:16 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19856 I have noisy neighbors in my duplex and i can hear their children running and jumping all day long. i'm a student and i need some peace and quiet which i enjoyed before they moved in. now its a free for all for their kids. i've complained to the landlord and to their faces. the first time i knocked on the door, this sweet little lady answered and her child bolted out of the door, right past me and began monkeyingaround on the banister of the stairs. i calmly stressed my qualms about her kids. she said she could do whatever she can but makes no promises. we have a park literally across the street and i have yet to see (or hear) the kids over there. there are plenty of other neighborhood kids to play with but they refuse to let their children outside. i heard the repercussions of what she did to the little boy who bolted past me, as he was crying nonstop for an hour after she closed the door. this is my main complaint. i don't care that the kids are loud, they are kids. but we have a park for a reason and its absurd that this "parent" won't take her children to the park to play. there is a big open field, a playground, and a basketball court for everyone to use, yet this lady refuses to let her children play on it. these kids are lacking the needed stimualtion of the outside world that they so desperately crave. i see why my generation is so apathetic now. because our parents are/were just like these parents. they don't give a shit. the only solution i've come up with is to better the situation and my wife and i are moving into a rental home with 2 of our friends. if i'm 45 years old with living in a duplex with two obnoxious kids and my neighbors have had enough of me and my miserable life because i refuse to take my children outside, please, shoot me in the head. I have noisy neighbors in my duplex and i can hear their children running and jumping all day long. i’m a student and i need some peace and quiet which i enjoyed before they moved in. now its a free for all for their kids. i’ve complained to the landlord and to their faces. the first time i knocked on the door, this sweet little lady answered and her child bolted out of the door, right past me and began monkeyingaround on the banister of the stairs. i calmly stressed my qualms about her kids. she said she could do whatever she can but makes no promises. we have a park literally across the street and i have yet to see (or hear) the kids over there. there are plenty of other neighborhood kids to play with but they refuse to let their children outside. i heard the repercussions of what she did to the little boy who bolted past me, as he was crying nonstop for an hour after she closed the door.
this is my main complaint. i don’t care that the kids are loud, they are kids. but we have a park for a reason and its absurd that this “parent” won’t take her children to the park to play. there is a big open field, a playground, and a basketball court for everyone to use, yet this lady refuses to let her children play on it. these kids are lacking the needed stimualtion of the outside world that they so desperately crave. i see why my generation is so apathetic now. because our parents are/were just like these parents. they don’t give a shit.
the only solution i’ve come up with is to better the situation and my wife and i are moving into a rental home with 2 of our friends. if i’m 45 years old with living in a duplex with two obnoxious kids and my neighbors have had enough of me and my miserable life because i refuse to take my children outside, please, shoot me in the head.

]]> By: lifesucks http://thebritgirl.com/2009/10/12/childfree-noisy-kids-upstairs-you-may-be-asked-to-suck-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-19854 lifesucks Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:32:31 +0000 http://thebritgirl.com/?p=769#comment-19854 am tempted to print this article and comments and put in upstairs neighbors mailbox. Since they moved above me 4 yr.s ago and had a boy 3 yr.s ago things have been pure hell and getting worse: she is pregnant and expecting any month now AND they don't plan on moving. I've been unemployed for 4 yrs. and could not move if I wanted to, my landlady knows i can pay her from my savings for now but a total stranger would never rent to a long term jobless person like me (my credit report is shot too most like) and i am not sure I won't end up homeless so in addit to dealing with all my personal stress I am woken any time from 6 am by the kid running and jumping right above me in his living room but for some reason his favorite spot is on my bedroom end rather than over my bathroom or kitchen, he is shouting and screaming, this continues till he leaves for daycare around 830 and resumes once he gets back home between 4-5 and on w/e it's an all day free for all, I am dead tired and cannot fall back asleep once he leaves as my nerves are too shot, being noise sensitive to begin with. I believe he has ADHD, it seems he cannot sit still EVER and he never plays up in his room which is on the 3rd fl. (I live on the ground level they have 2 stories)so i'd not hear him. Now that he's talking he is talking loudly and because he shouts his parents have taken to shouting as well, i can actually hear snippets of conversation w/o trying to. The kid goes to bed some time around 8 but then its the parents turn to stomp around till 1am or later. They put hardwood floors in 2 yrs. ago, that was really fun, I had to leave the condo during the day, pounding for hours for weeks on end, i wondered if each wooden panel was hand malleted with 3 dz. nails each or what. They didnt put any carpeting on so now the kid rides his tricycle or bigwheel up there too. I also think he bowls and plays basketball in addit. to his favorite activity: jumping up and down the furniture. He is not a large boy at least not yet but there is a constant boom, boom noise, i literally picture him running up to the couch, jumping on it and then jumping to the floor over and over again. Shortly after he was born I left them a note because they used to put some childrens songs/music/cartoon on when they got up and I normally sleep until 8-830 and I had explained how my bedroom was under their speakers apparently so other than not blasting Barney with " i love you, you love me" kiddie songs at 7am it's a regular noisefest "a herd of elephants" as said elsewhere. This very moment they are engaged in bowling, that is what is sounds like, I cannot imagine what else it would be. on w/e and eve. the parents engage in moving around the furniture for their squaredance group (that is exactly what is sounds like, furniture being dragged and dropped and then thump, thump thump of people wearing hard soled shoes). He screams and screetches NOW and the baby isnt even born yet, i expect things to get much, much worse once it is. The parents NEVER raise their voices to him, they let him scream and cry and run and jump, God forbid they think of sending him to his room, he's almost 4 so i imagine old enough to be alone untill he can calm down. Unfortunately i do not overexagerate. The noise is a DAILY relentless occurance, he is NEVER quiet unless he's NOT home. Oh and my next door neigbhor has started snoring and his bed/bedroom is on the other side of my bedroom wall. I pray i get a job just so i can move into a small house/cottage/shack or cabin, with no neighbors/rd. within 25 ft. otherwise i am screwed. My other problems are the next door neighbors b/r a/c 6 ft. from my bedroom window on May-Oct. all nite, noisy like a huge idling truck AND the dog walkers who stand outside my unit in my yard area at 7am or earlier and shout at their dog. Living in a house beats apartment living by leaps and bounds, esp. for us noise sensitive folks who like our privacy and dont' want to feel like we are living in the same rooms WITH the neighbors. It's like everytime either neighbor has a party, I am there too even tho I'm NOT, the last time it was the kids birthday and they were all singing i culd barely restrain myself from singing happy b-day too but i suspect sound doesnt travel as much upwards or they'd be a bit more considerate. Now what to do bout the snoring neighbor? am tempted to print this article and comments and put in upstairs neighbors mailbox. Since they moved above me 4 yr.s ago and had a boy 3 yr.s ago things have been pure hell and getting worse: she is pregnant and expecting any month now AND they don’t plan on moving. I’ve been unemployed for 4 yrs. and could not move if I wanted to, my landlady knows i can pay her from my savings for now but a total stranger would never rent to a long term jobless person like me (my credit report is shot too most like) and i am not sure I won’t end up homeless so in addit to dealing with all my personal stress I am woken any time from 6 am by the kid running and jumping right above me in his living room but for some reason his favorite spot is on my bedroom end rather than over my bathroom or kitchen, he is shouting and screaming, this continues till he leaves for daycare around 830 and resumes once he gets back home between 4-5 and on w/e it’s an all day free for all, I am dead tired and cannot fall back asleep once he leaves as my nerves are too shot, being noise sensitive to begin with. I believe he has ADHD, it seems he cannot sit still EVER and he never plays up in his room which is on the 3rd fl. (I live on the ground level they have 2 stories)so i’d not hear him. Now that he’s talking he is talking loudly and because he shouts his parents have taken to shouting as well, i can actually hear snippets of conversation w/o trying to. The kid goes to bed some time around 8 but then its the parents turn to stomp around till 1am or later. They put hardwood floors in 2 yrs. ago, that was really fun, I had to leave the condo during the day, pounding for hours for weeks on end, i wondered if each wooden panel was hand malleted with 3 dz. nails each or what. They didnt put any carpeting on so now the kid rides his tricycle or bigwheel up there too. I also think he bowls and plays basketball in addit. to his favorite activity: jumping up and down the furniture. He is not a large boy at least not yet but there is a constant boom, boom noise, i literally picture him running up to the couch, jumping on it and then jumping to the floor over and over again. Shortly after he was born I left them a note because they used to put some childrens songs/music/cartoon on when they got up and I normally sleep until 8-830 and I had explained how my bedroom was under their speakers apparently so other than not blasting Barney with ” i love you, you love me” kiddie songs at 7am it’s a regular noisefest “a herd of elephants” as said elsewhere. This very moment they are engaged in bowling, that is what is sounds like, I cannot imagine what else it would be. on w/e and eve. the parents engage in moving around the furniture for their squaredance group (that is exactly what is sounds like, furniture being dragged and dropped and then thump, thump thump of people wearing hard soled shoes). He screams and screetches NOW and the baby isnt even born yet, i expect things to get much, much worse once it is. The parents NEVER raise their voices to him, they let him scream and cry and run and jump, God forbid they think of sending him to his room, he’s almost 4 so i imagine old enough to be alone untill he can calm down. Unfortunately i do not overexagerate. The noise is a DAILY relentless occurance, he is NEVER quiet unless he’s NOT home. Oh and my next door neigbhor has started snoring and his bed/bedroom is on the other side of my bedroom wall. I pray i get a job just so i can move into a small house/cottage/shack or cabin, with no neighbors/rd. within 25 ft. otherwise i am screwed. My other problems are the next door neighbors b/r a/c 6 ft. from my bedroom window on May-Oct. all nite, noisy like a huge idling truck AND the dog walkers who stand outside my unit in my yard area at 7am or earlier and shout at their dog. Living in a house beats apartment living by leaps and bounds, esp. for us noise sensitive folks who like our privacy and dont’ want to feel like we are living in the same rooms WITH the neighbors. It’s like everytime either neighbor has a party, I am there too even tho I’m NOT, the last time it was the kids birthday and they were all singing i culd barely restrain myself from singing happy b-day too but i suspect sound doesnt travel as much upwards or they’d be a bit more considerate. Now what to do bout the snoring neighbor?

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