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		<title>By: crying</title>
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		<dc:creator>crying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted in november as crying and i am happy to say that our landlady let us move to another apartment. This did not happen without a lot of complaining. The lease had some clause in it that after 6 months we could move to another apartment and continue on the same lease. It is better, we are now the upstairs tenants and currently there are no children around us, thank goodness! Good luck to all of you maybe you have something like this in your lease. After 6 months we are still moving hopefully to a single floor flat with no one above or below us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted in november as crying and i am happy to say that our landlady let us move to another apartment. This did not happen without a lot of complaining. The lease had some clause in it that after 6 months we could move to another apartment and continue on the same lease. It is better, we are now the upstairs tenants and currently there are no children around us, thank goodness! Good luck to all of you maybe you have something like this in your lease. After 6 months we are still moving hopefully to a single floor flat with no one above or below us.</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have noisy neighbors in my duplex and i can hear their children running and jumping all day long.  i&#039;m a student and i need some peace and quiet which i enjoyed before they moved in.  now its a free for all for their kids.  i&#039;ve complained to the landlord and to their faces.  the first time i knocked on the door, this sweet little lady answered and her child bolted out of the door, right past me and began monkeyingaround on the banister of the stairs.   i calmly stressed my qualms about her kids.  she said she could do whatever she can but makes no promises.   we have a park literally across the street and i have yet to see (or hear) the kids over there.  there are plenty of other neighborhood kids to play with but they refuse to let their children outside.  i heard the repercussions of what she did to the little boy who bolted past me, as he was crying nonstop for an hour after she closed the door.
this is my main complaint.  i don&#039;t care that the kids are loud, they are kids.  but we have a park for a reason and its absurd that this &quot;parent&quot; won&#039;t take her children to the park to play.  there is a big open field, a playground, and a basketball court for everyone to use, yet this lady refuses to let her children play on it.  these kids are lacking the needed stimualtion of the outside world that they so desperately crave.  i see why my generation is so apathetic now.  because our parents are/were just like these parents.  they don&#039;t give a shit.
the only solution i&#039;ve come up with is to better the situation and my wife and i are moving into a rental home with 2 of our friends.  if i&#039;m 45 years old with living in a duplex with two obnoxious kids and my neighbors have had enough of me and my miserable life because i refuse to take my children outside,  please, shoot me in the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have noisy neighbors in my duplex and i can hear their children running and jumping all day long.  i&#8217;m a student and i need some peace and quiet which i enjoyed before they moved in.  now its a free for all for their kids.  i&#8217;ve complained to the landlord and to their faces.  the first time i knocked on the door, this sweet little lady answered and her child bolted out of the door, right past me and began monkeyingaround on the banister of the stairs.   i calmly stressed my qualms about her kids.  she said she could do whatever she can but makes no promises.   we have a park literally across the street and i have yet to see (or hear) the kids over there.  there are plenty of other neighborhood kids to play with but they refuse to let their children outside.  i heard the repercussions of what she did to the little boy who bolted past me, as he was crying nonstop for an hour after she closed the door.<br />
this is my main complaint.  i don&#8217;t care that the kids are loud, they are kids.  but we have a park for a reason and its absurd that this &#8220;parent&#8221; won&#8217;t take her children to the park to play.  there is a big open field, a playground, and a basketball court for everyone to use, yet this lady refuses to let her children play on it.  these kids are lacking the needed stimualtion of the outside world that they so desperately crave.  i see why my generation is so apathetic now.  because our parents are/were just like these parents.  they don&#8217;t give a shit.<br />
the only solution i&#8217;ve come up with is to better the situation and my wife and i are moving into a rental home with 2 of our friends.  if i&#8217;m 45 years old with living in a duplex with two obnoxious kids and my neighbors have had enough of me and my miserable life because i refuse to take my children outside,  please, shoot me in the head.</p>
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		<title>By: lifesucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>lifesucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am tempted to print this article and comments and put in upstairs neighbors mailbox.  Since they moved above me 4 yr.s ago and had a boy 3 yr.s ago things have been pure hell and getting worse:  she is pregnant and expecting any month now AND they don&#039;t plan on moving.  I&#039;ve been unemployed for 4 yrs. and could not move if I wanted to, my landlady knows i can pay her from my savings for now but a total stranger would never rent to a long term jobless person like me (my credit report is shot too most like) and i am not sure I won&#039;t end up homeless so in addit to dealing with all my personal stress I am woken any time from 6 am by the kid running and jumping right above me in his living room but for some reason his favorite spot is on my bedroom end rather than over my bathroom or kitchen,  he is shouting and screaming, this continues till he leaves for daycare  around 830 and resumes once he gets back home between 4-5 and on w/e it&#039;s an all day free for all, I am dead tired and cannot fall back asleep once he leaves as my nerves are too shot, being noise sensitive to begin with.  I believe he has ADHD, it seems he cannot sit still EVER and he never plays up in his room which is on the 3rd fl. (I live on the ground level they have 2 stories)so i&#039;d not hear him.  Now that he&#039;s talking he is talking loudly and because he shouts his parents have taken to shouting as well, i can actually hear snippets of conversation w/o trying to.  The kid goes to bed some time around 8 but then its the parents turn to stomp around till 1am or later.  They put hardwood floors in 2 yrs. ago, that was really fun, I had to leave the condo during the day, pounding for hours for weeks on end, i wondered if each wooden panel was hand malleted with 3 dz. nails each or what.  They didnt put any carpeting on so now the kid rides his tricycle or bigwheel up there too.  I also think he bowls and plays basketball in addit. to his favorite activity:  jumping up and down the furniture.  He is not a large boy at least not yet but there is a constant boom, boom noise, i literally picture him running up to the couch, jumping on it and then jumping to the floor over and over again.  Shortly after he was born I left them a note because they used to put some childrens songs/music/cartoon on when they got up and I normally sleep until 8-830 and I had explained how my bedroom was under their speakers apparently so other than not blasting Barney with &quot; i love you, you love me&quot; kiddie songs at 7am it&#039;s a regular noisefest &quot;a herd of elephants&quot; as said elsewhere.  This very moment they are engaged in bowling, that is what is sounds like, I cannot imagine what else it would be.  on w/e and eve. the parents engage in moving around the furniture for their squaredance group (that is exactly what is sounds like, furniture being dragged and dropped and then thump, thump thump of people wearing hard soled shoes).  He screams and screetches NOW and the baby isnt even born yet, i expect things to get much, much worse once it is.  The parents NEVER raise their voices to him, they let him scream and cry and run and jump, God forbid they think of sending him to his room, he&#039;s almost 4 so i imagine old enough to be alone  untill he can calm down.  Unfortunately i do not overexagerate.  The noise is a DAILY relentless occurance, he is NEVER quiet unless he&#039;s NOT home.  Oh and my next door neigbhor has started snoring and his bed/bedroom is on the other side of my bedroom wall.  I pray i get a job just so i can move into a small house/cottage/shack or cabin, with no neighbors/rd. within 25 ft. otherwise i am screwed.  My other problems are the next door neighbors b/r a/c 6 ft. from my bedroom window on May-Oct. all nite,  noisy like a huge idling truck AND the dog walkers who stand outside my unit in my yard area at 7am or earlier and shout at their dog.  Living in a house beats apartment living by leaps and bounds, esp. for us noise sensitive folks who like our privacy and dont&#039; want to feel like we are living in the same rooms WITH the neighbors.  It&#039;s like everytime either neighbor has a party, I am there too even tho I&#039;m NOT, the last time it was the kids birthday and they were all singing i culd barely restrain myself from singing happy b-day too but i suspect sound doesnt travel as much upwards or they&#039;d be a bit more considerate.  Now what to do bout the snoring neighbor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am tempted to print this article and comments and put in upstairs neighbors mailbox.  Since they moved above me 4 yr.s ago and had a boy 3 yr.s ago things have been pure hell and getting worse:  she is pregnant and expecting any month now AND they don&#8217;t plan on moving.  I&#8217;ve been unemployed for 4 yrs. and could not move if I wanted to, my landlady knows i can pay her from my savings for now but a total stranger would never rent to a long term jobless person like me (my credit report is shot too most like) and i am not sure I won&#8217;t end up homeless so in addit to dealing with all my personal stress I am woken any time from 6 am by the kid running and jumping right above me in his living room but for some reason his favorite spot is on my bedroom end rather than over my bathroom or kitchen,  he is shouting and screaming, this continues till he leaves for daycare  around 830 and resumes once he gets back home between 4-5 and on w/e it&#8217;s an all day free for all, I am dead tired and cannot fall back asleep once he leaves as my nerves are too shot, being noise sensitive to begin with.  I believe he has ADHD, it seems he cannot sit still EVER and he never plays up in his room which is on the 3rd fl. (I live on the ground level they have 2 stories)so i&#8217;d not hear him.  Now that he&#8217;s talking he is talking loudly and because he shouts his parents have taken to shouting as well, i can actually hear snippets of conversation w/o trying to.  The kid goes to bed some time around 8 but then its the parents turn to stomp around till 1am or later.  They put hardwood floors in 2 yrs. ago, that was really fun, I had to leave the condo during the day, pounding for hours for weeks on end, i wondered if each wooden panel was hand malleted with 3 dz. nails each or what.  They didnt put any carpeting on so now the kid rides his tricycle or bigwheel up there too.  I also think he bowls and plays basketball in addit. to his favorite activity:  jumping up and down the furniture.  He is not a large boy at least not yet but there is a constant boom, boom noise, i literally picture him running up to the couch, jumping on it and then jumping to the floor over and over again.  Shortly after he was born I left them a note because they used to put some childrens songs/music/cartoon on when they got up and I normally sleep until 8-830 and I had explained how my bedroom was under their speakers apparently so other than not blasting Barney with &#8221; i love you, you love me&#8221; kiddie songs at 7am it&#8217;s a regular noisefest &#8220;a herd of elephants&#8221; as said elsewhere.  This very moment they are engaged in bowling, that is what is sounds like, I cannot imagine what else it would be.  on w/e and eve. the parents engage in moving around the furniture for their squaredance group (that is exactly what is sounds like, furniture being dragged and dropped and then thump, thump thump of people wearing hard soled shoes).  He screams and screetches NOW and the baby isnt even born yet, i expect things to get much, much worse once it is.  The parents NEVER raise their voices to him, they let him scream and cry and run and jump, God forbid they think of sending him to his room, he&#8217;s almost 4 so i imagine old enough to be alone  untill he can calm down.  Unfortunately i do not overexagerate.  The noise is a DAILY relentless occurance, he is NEVER quiet unless he&#8217;s NOT home.  Oh and my next door neigbhor has started snoring and his bed/bedroom is on the other side of my bedroom wall.  I pray i get a job just so i can move into a small house/cottage/shack or cabin, with no neighbors/rd. within 25 ft. otherwise i am screwed.  My other problems are the next door neighbors b/r a/c 6 ft. from my bedroom window on May-Oct. all nite,  noisy like a huge idling truck AND the dog walkers who stand outside my unit in my yard area at 7am or earlier and shout at their dog.  Living in a house beats apartment living by leaps and bounds, esp. for us noise sensitive folks who like our privacy and dont&#8217; want to feel like we are living in the same rooms WITH the neighbors.  It&#8217;s like everytime either neighbor has a party, I am there too even tho I&#8217;m NOT, the last time it was the kids birthday and they were all singing i culd barely restrain myself from singing happy b-day too but i suspect sound doesnt travel as much upwards or they&#8217;d be a bit more considerate.  Now what to do bout the snoring neighbor?</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, when I was growing up, if we got too wild and out of hand, we were made to calm down and settle down.  If I slammed a door I was made to come back and open and close it at least ten times without slamming it.  Being a kid does not mean they should be allowed to do whatever they please.  The parents are not doing these kids any favors.  What is going to happen when they get out in the real world where there are rules they have to follow; but they were never taught?  The parents that do nothing to get their kids to settle down are selfish and just do not wish to take the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, when I was growing up, if we got too wild and out of hand, we were made to calm down and settle down.  If I slammed a door I was made to come back and open and close it at least ten times without slamming it.  Being a kid does not mean they should be allowed to do whatever they please.  The parents are not doing these kids any favors.  What is going to happen when they get out in the real world where there are rules they have to follow; but they were never taught?  The parents that do nothing to get their kids to settle down are selfish and just do not wish to take the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that we are not required to be tolerant of another&#039;s obnoxious offspring because they choose not to teach their offspring to be mindful that there are others around them.  We can actually hear a six and eigtht year old below us run around and wrestle.  They are making our floor vibrate, shake and jerk.  When we try to go to management, they claim it is not possible for us to hear them when they are below us.  It was also suggested that we were not tolerant of children.  We are not required to be tolerant of ignorance.  It is constant bang, slam, pound, stomp, stomp, run, run, and when we try to fight back they cannot take it.  They can dish it out but not take it.  We&#039;ve tried calling the cops, reporting it to management and so forth.  My husband&#039;s health has taken a turn for the worst; plus he has M.D. so the shaking of the floor, if he is in the process of walking, (he can still walk; his balance is limited), has caused him to fall quite a few times.  We are in the process of starting a paper trail and trying to get out of our lease right now.  This is no way to live.  Our lease guaranteed us a peaceful dwelling; but management refuses to help us in any way.  Grrrr....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that we are not required to be tolerant of another&#8217;s obnoxious offspring because they choose not to teach their offspring to be mindful that there are others around them.  We can actually hear a six and eigtht year old below us run around and wrestle.  They are making our floor vibrate, shake and jerk.  When we try to go to management, they claim it is not possible for us to hear them when they are below us.  It was also suggested that we were not tolerant of children.  We are not required to be tolerant of ignorance.  It is constant bang, slam, pound, stomp, stomp, run, run, and when we try to fight back they cannot take it.  They can dish it out but not take it.  We&#8217;ve tried calling the cops, reporting it to management and so forth.  My husband&#8217;s health has taken a turn for the worst; plus he has M.D. so the shaking of the floor, if he is in the process of walking, (he can still walk; his balance is limited), has caused him to fall quite a few times.  We are in the process of starting a paper trail and trying to get out of our lease right now.  This is no way to live.  Our lease guaranteed us a peaceful dwelling; but management refuses to help us in any way.  Grrrr&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most cities have noise ordinances -- loud noises are not allowed in mine, for example, from 10 p.m. through 7 a.m. First I would contact my landlord to complain -- many will have a form letter they will send to such tenants educating them or reminding them of the city ordinance. If it continues, call the police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most cities have noise ordinances &#8212; loud noises are not allowed in mine, for example, from 10 p.m. through 7 a.m. First I would contact my landlord to complain &#8212; many will have a form letter they will send to such tenants educating them or reminding them of the city ordinance. If it continues, call the police.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On one hand it&#039;s somewhat comforting to know that there are others like me, as evidenced by this topic, that think loud kids don&#039;t have a place in older condos with poor sound insulation. On the other hand, it&#039;s sad to see so many people with the opposite point of view, that of an entitled parent who thinks their kid has free reign just because &#039;they are a kid&#039;. Glad I stumbled on this website, since I&#039;m now sucking up a similar situation.

My wife and I found a nice condo on the lake, and we had a couple viewings (unfortunately in the morning/early afternoon. My advice: make sure before you commit to a new place that you spend some time in the unit in the early evening, say 6-8pm. You&#039;ll definitely learn about your neighbor&#039;s habits this way. Lesson learned). First night I go around to the neighbors to introduce myself and offer the typical &quot;If we&#039;re ever too loud in here please come by and let us know&quot;. My heart dropped when the guy upstairs answered the door with what appeared to be a 1 year old human in his arms. Since then, every night from 6-9pm I hear madness above me. Running footsteps that sound like a grown adult, hard things getting dropped on the floor, and tons of furniture being dragged around. Its awful, and when I get home from work I just want a quiet evening in the condo I am paying for. I haven&#039;t said anything yet, because I don&#039;t know how to bring the topic up. Realistically I know the response will be &quot;we can try to keep it down, but a kid is a kid afterall&quot; so I don&#039;t even want to waste my time.

If I had known there was a family of 3 in above the unit, I would never have taken it. I would have looked for another one, and no lake view is worth dealing with the sound of a kid running, crying, throwing/dropping things, etc. Personally I think a landlord or HOA should notify potential tenants that there are small kids in adjacent units as a courtesy and in order to avoid future complications and complaints. Unfortunately people just want to rent out their place and will avoid disclosing the unpleasant information. 

Sometimes I feel like I am too responsible and too considerate regarding others. I wish I had the ability to forget that there are people living all around me, and live my life doing what I want. My wife and I want a dog badly, but we wouldn&#039;t think about getting one while living in a condo or apartment because it is unfair to both the animal and the neighbors. So how is a kid any different? Because it&#039;s human? Unfortunately between the ages of 0-8 years a kid is not much more advanced than a dog, and yet people seem to ignore that fact because they decided to have a kid in a condo/apartment. 

At this point I have no idea what I&#039;m going to do and my only solution thus far has been to simply stay out of my OWN unit from 8am to 10pm. How ridiculous is that? Being forced out of your place by someone who thought they needed to reproduce before buying a house. Ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On one hand it&#8217;s somewhat comforting to know that there are others like me, as evidenced by this topic, that think loud kids don&#8217;t have a place in older condos with poor sound insulation. On the other hand, it&#8217;s sad to see so many people with the opposite point of view, that of an entitled parent who thinks their kid has free reign just because &#8216;they are a kid&#8217;. Glad I stumbled on this website, since I&#8217;m now sucking up a similar situation.</p>
<p>My wife and I found a nice condo on the lake, and we had a couple viewings (unfortunately in the morning/early afternoon. My advice: make sure before you commit to a new place that you spend some time in the unit in the early evening, say 6-8pm. You&#8217;ll definitely learn about your neighbor&#8217;s habits this way. Lesson learned). First night I go around to the neighbors to introduce myself and offer the typical &#8220;If we&#8217;re ever too loud in here please come by and let us know&#8221;. My heart dropped when the guy upstairs answered the door with what appeared to be a 1 year old human in his arms. Since then, every night from 6-9pm I hear madness above me. Running footsteps that sound like a grown adult, hard things getting dropped on the floor, and tons of furniture being dragged around. Its awful, and when I get home from work I just want a quiet evening in the condo I am paying for. I haven&#8217;t said anything yet, because I don&#8217;t know how to bring the topic up. Realistically I know the response will be &#8220;we can try to keep it down, but a kid is a kid afterall&#8221; so I don&#8217;t even want to waste my time.</p>
<p>If I had known there was a family of 3 in above the unit, I would never have taken it. I would have looked for another one, and no lake view is worth dealing with the sound of a kid running, crying, throwing/dropping things, etc. Personally I think a landlord or HOA should notify potential tenants that there are small kids in adjacent units as a courtesy and in order to avoid future complications and complaints. Unfortunately people just want to rent out their place and will avoid disclosing the unpleasant information. </p>
<p>Sometimes I feel like I am too responsible and too considerate regarding others. I wish I had the ability to forget that there are people living all around me, and live my life doing what I want. My wife and I want a dog badly, but we wouldn&#8217;t think about getting one while living in a condo or apartment because it is unfair to both the animal and the neighbors. So how is a kid any different? Because it&#8217;s human? Unfortunately between the ages of 0-8 years a kid is not much more advanced than a dog, and yet people seem to ignore that fact because they decided to have a kid in a condo/apartment. </p>
<p>At this point I have no idea what I&#8217;m going to do and my only solution thus far has been to simply stay out of my OWN unit from 8am to 10pm. How ridiculous is that? Being forced out of your place by someone who thought they needed to reproduce before buying a house. Ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Apollo1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apollo1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a implied clause in all lease called  &quot;quiet and enjoyment&quot; which the landlord is suppose to up whole and is enforcement in court.  My landlord was forced to evict two different tenants because I my lease was being breached.  You don&#039;t have to put up with it!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a implied clause in all lease called  &#8220;quiet and enjoyment&#8221; which the landlord is suppose to up whole and is enforcement in court.  My landlord was forced to evict two different tenants because I my lease was being breached.  You don&#8217;t have to put up with it!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Apollo1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apollo1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a tenant who moved in with their daughter who has a two year old that runs in the hallway constantly. and it is very annoying.  I agree with your reply</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a tenant who moved in with their daughter who has a two year old that runs in the hallway constantly. and it is very annoying.  I agree with your reply</p>
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		<title>By: crying</title>
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		<dc:creator>crying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sad to say that I am now in this club. My boyfriend and I live in an apartment with people who just don&#039;t care that we live beneath them. They have a 2yr. old girl who also likes to run back and forth and drop things that sound like cement. We have complained and they promised to try to keep her queit but it last for about three days and the noise is back driving us crazy. They also like to invite other people over and let their kids over to run to and when we tried banging on the ceiling to let them know they were being too loud they simple stomped back. We then went and talked to them and they told us they are tired of us banging on the ceiling (we only did it twice in 1 month and a half) and told us its their play time. I am really tired and can&#039;t believe that people believe that others are just suppose to suck it up cause they have kids. I pay rent too and I really don&#039;t think if things were different, they would care why I&#039;m loud on their heads. I know that we could have chossen the upstairs apartment but we chose the downstairs one because we work out and it might have been too noisey for an upstairs apartment. It&#039;s called being considerate. If we can do it, they can do it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sad to say that I am now in this club. My boyfriend and I live in an apartment with people who just don&#8217;t care that we live beneath them. They have a 2yr. old girl who also likes to run back and forth and drop things that sound like cement. We have complained and they promised to try to keep her queit but it last for about three days and the noise is back driving us crazy. They also like to invite other people over and let their kids over to run to and when we tried banging on the ceiling to let them know they were being too loud they simple stomped back. We then went and talked to them and they told us they are tired of us banging on the ceiling (we only did it twice in 1 month and a half) and told us its their play time. I am really tired and can&#8217;t believe that people believe that others are just suppose to suck it up cause they have kids. I pay rent too and I really don&#8217;t think if things were different, they would care why I&#8217;m loud on their heads. I know that we could have chossen the upstairs apartment but we chose the downstairs one because we work out and it might have been too noisey for an upstairs apartment. It&#8217;s called being considerate. If we can do it, they can do it!</p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 02:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenna -- nobody wants your stupid kid running non-stop for hours.  Find a building that is full of families.  Don&#039;t just move into one full of quiet tenants.  You are a problem tenant and it is only going to get worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenna &#8212; nobody wants your stupid kid running non-stop for hours.  Find a building that is full of families.  Don&#8217;t just move into one full of quiet tenants.  You are a problem tenant and it is only going to get worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 02:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look into a rent abatement... these are legal clauses that can be used when the &quot;quiet enjoyment&quot; clause in your lease is being violated.  It&#039;s the only thing that renters have to protect themselves from noisy children.

I bet if they are threatened with having to pay several hundred dollars additional per month - the noise will come to a quick end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look into a rent abatement&#8230; these are legal clauses that can be used when the &#8220;quiet enjoyment&#8221; clause in your lease is being violated.  It&#8217;s the only thing that renters have to protect themselves from noisy children.</p>
<p>I bet if they are threatened with having to pay several hundred dollars additional per month &#8211; the noise will come to a quick end.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 02:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ham, you just can&#039;t tell people who pay their rent to suck it up.  If you&#039;re constantly disturbing the neighbors with your loud kids, then you are a problem tenant.  

If it&#039;s a building full of families and kids, that&#039;s one thing.  But, what if I&#039;m living below you and have to stay home sick?  Don&#039;t I have the right to some peace, too.  Some buildings just aren&#039;t right for kids.

Let me move above you and run back and forth non-stop for hours and see how you like.  Stop being a one - sided parent. 

There are also clauses that can be used in a rental agreement known as a &quot;rent abatement.&quot;  Basically, it would allow the tenant to have the noisy family cover a portion on the rent.  I suggest trying that and charging them $250 per month.  Legally, it is possible... check into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ham, you just can&#8217;t tell people who pay their rent to suck it up.  If you&#8217;re constantly disturbing the neighbors with your loud kids, then you are a problem tenant.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s a building full of families and kids, that&#8217;s one thing.  But, what if I&#8217;m living below you and have to stay home sick?  Don&#8217;t I have the right to some peace, too.  Some buildings just aren&#8217;t right for kids.</p>
<p>Let me move above you and run back and forth non-stop for hours and see how you like.  Stop being a one &#8211; sided parent. </p>
<p>There are also clauses that can be used in a rental agreement known as a &#8220;rent abatement.&#8221;  Basically, it would allow the tenant to have the noisy family cover a portion on the rent.  I suggest trying that and charging them $250 per month.  Legally, it is possible&#8230; check into it.</p>
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		<title>By: CAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found this article while doing a search about noisy neighbors. I am in situation involving two couples with kids who live above me in a three-story condo building. I have owned and lived in my place (on the second floor) for four years with really no problems related to the upstairs units, until they moved in. I am not a &quot;child-hater&quot; and I agree that some level of sound is to be expected, but there is a point when it becomes excessive. Now on a fairly regular basis I have to listen to stomping and running and jumping up and down and wrestling, in addition to screaming/yelling in the stairwells and hallways. I use high velocity fans and wear headphones to drown out some of it, but you can still feel the vibrations. The parents see absolutely nothing wrong with this because apparently they have convinced themselves they are the only ones who live here. Some people are just ignorant and you can&#039;t change it. If you say anything (which I tried), you are the one who has the problem, so you have to find ways to adjust your life while they continue being the way they are. There was a time when landlords could be a little more selective with who they allowed in their units, but with the housing market the way it is now and many people being underwater with their mortgages, the sad truth is that a noisy tenant who pays rent is better than no tenant and no rent. If you own in a place that is dominated by renters, you are literally trapped with them and their lifestyles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this article while doing a search about noisy neighbors. I am in situation involving two couples with kids who live above me in a three-story condo building. I have owned and lived in my place (on the second floor) for four years with really no problems related to the upstairs units, until they moved in. I am not a &#8220;child-hater&#8221; and I agree that some level of sound is to be expected, but there is a point when it becomes excessive. Now on a fairly regular basis I have to listen to stomping and running and jumping up and down and wrestling, in addition to screaming/yelling in the stairwells and hallways. I use high velocity fans and wear headphones to drown out some of it, but you can still feel the vibrations. The parents see absolutely nothing wrong with this because apparently they have convinced themselves they are the only ones who live here. Some people are just ignorant and you can&#8217;t change it. If you say anything (which I tried), you are the one who has the problem, so you have to find ways to adjust your life while they continue being the way they are. There was a time when landlords could be a little more selective with who they allowed in their units, but with the housing market the way it is now and many people being underwater with their mortgages, the sad truth is that a noisy tenant who pays rent is better than no tenant and no rent. If you own in a place that is dominated by renters, you are literally trapped with them and their lifestyles.</p>
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		<title>By: SS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 03:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way you might address the toy issue is to bring up the potential liability to the landlord. If a tenant or guest trips and is injured by those toys, they could sue the landlord for having unsafe conditions. 
As for the noise, depending on the city/apartment rules, and proximity of other neighbors, could you sacrifice a few weekend mornings and play loud music or vacuum at 6am in the room under their bedroom? It sounds like you have tried to address the problem in reasonable and polite ways and they have ignored your rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way you might address the toy issue is to bring up the potential liability to the landlord. If a tenant or guest trips and is injured by those toys, they could sue the landlord for having unsafe conditions.<br />
As for the noise, depending on the city/apartment rules, and proximity of other neighbors, could you sacrifice a few weekend mornings and play loud music or vacuum at 6am in the room under their bedroom? It sounds like you have tried to address the problem in reasonable and polite ways and they have ignored your rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 18:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been dealing with the noise of children for 2 years now. When our upstairs neighbour moved in, they have a 9 year old child. She make alot of noise, but I passed it over as she excited she has a new house, She&#039;ll calm down soon. Boy I was wrong. She has her friends over all the time. They run and jump and scream and making tons of noise. Once I had to go upstairs and ask the mother to ask them to keep it down becuase they were jumping up and down on the floor above my head. &quot;Oh they are just playing a dance game in the wii&quot;  But they stopped thank god. But I never got sorry, or anything, for all the noise they made.

Now they have a toddler who is learning how to walk. She wears her little toodler shoes in the house. I dont mind, a baby needs to learn things. What bothers me is when at 7am when she gets up they let her run through the whole apartment including the room which is right above mine. Even if they closed off that room untill later in the morning so they arent waking us up. 

The oldest has her toys scattered all over the backyard. I wouldnt be able to walk to get something from the shed without tripping up in something, and she hasnt played in the yard since the summer, so all that junk is sitting in the yard untouched for 2 months.

We would like to complain to our landlord. but here in the provinces tennants aggreement it states that noise from children is not a reason for a unpeaceful living arragement.

I would love too move. But we cant afford it, we pay good rent here. We dont want to cause awkwardness between all of us, they are really nice people. But to them their children are spoiled and can do no wrong.

Yes I know kids make noise. But people with children need to have some respect for the people who live below them. I respect they have children and with we have people in we make sure it is not loud after 11pm, Which is the law here. But it needs to go both ways. We respect them, but they dont respect us it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been dealing with the noise of children for 2 years now. When our upstairs neighbour moved in, they have a 9 year old child. She make alot of noise, but I passed it over as she excited she has a new house, She&#8217;ll calm down soon. Boy I was wrong. She has her friends over all the time. They run and jump and scream and making tons of noise. Once I had to go upstairs and ask the mother to ask them to keep it down becuase they were jumping up and down on the floor above my head. &#8220;Oh they are just playing a dance game in the wii&#8221;  But they stopped thank god. But I never got sorry, or anything, for all the noise they made.</p>
<p>Now they have a toddler who is learning how to walk. She wears her little toodler shoes in the house. I dont mind, a baby needs to learn things. What bothers me is when at 7am when she gets up they let her run through the whole apartment including the room which is right above mine. Even if they closed off that room untill later in the morning so they arent waking us up. </p>
<p>The oldest has her toys scattered all over the backyard. I wouldnt be able to walk to get something from the shed without tripping up in something, and she hasnt played in the yard since the summer, so all that junk is sitting in the yard untouched for 2 months.</p>
<p>We would like to complain to our landlord. but here in the provinces tennants aggreement it states that noise from children is not a reason for a unpeaceful living arragement.</p>
<p>I would love too move. But we cant afford it, we pay good rent here. We dont want to cause awkwardness between all of us, they are really nice people. But to them their children are spoiled and can do no wrong.</p>
<p>Yes I know kids make noise. But people with children need to have some respect for the people who live below them. I respect they have children and with we have people in we make sure it is not loud after 11pm, Which is the law here. But it needs to go both ways. We respect them, but they dont respect us it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Ham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got three kids. I live in NYC and plan to continue to live there.  You too have an option of moving out to the suburbs, just like I do.  I will certainly put up the pads on the floors, but frankly I don&#039;t think they will help much since kids will run around.   I don&#039;t think there are laws preventing kids living in the apartment and I can&#039;t make them fly.   When I was complaining about the hip hop music all night, the city did nothing.   I am concerned about your peace and I will certainly not play any loud music ever. And you are guaranteed peace when they go to bed.  Until then - well, you will have to suck it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got three kids. I live in NYC and plan to continue to live there.  You too have an option of moving out to the suburbs, just like I do.  I will certainly put up the pads on the floors, but frankly I don&#8217;t think they will help much since kids will run around.   I don&#8217;t think there are laws preventing kids living in the apartment and I can&#8217;t make them fly.   When I was complaining about the hip hop music all night, the city did nothing.   I am concerned about your peace and I will certainly not play any loud music ever. And you are guaranteed peace when they go to bed.  Until then &#8211; well, you will have to suck it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow that&#039;s exactly what&#039;s happening to me right there.
I left them a note, they didn&#039;t care, they said it was a kid so I had to suck it up.
I told my landlord and he keeps on saying he will tell them but never does.
And to make things worst my roommate says he doesn&#039;t care.
I&#039;m definitely going to have to move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow that&#8217;s exactly what&#8217;s happening to me right there.<br />
I left them a note, they didn&#8217;t care, they said it was a kid so I had to suck it up.<br />
I told my landlord and he keeps on saying he will tell them but never does.<br />
And to make things worst my roommate says he doesn&#8217;t care.<br />
I&#8217;m definitely going to have to move.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My advice: if you can&#039;t understand that children will make noise, objects will fall and life will happen above you in an apartment, don&#039;t live in one. Or pick an upstairs apartment yourself. Children are not banned from upstairs  apartments, and although coming courtesy should be for the parents to prevent the child from acting wild, downstairs neighbors have to understand that there will be little excited footsteps running around, and the child might fall down sometimes.

I have a 17 month old. I take him outside to play often, he is not at the jumping off of furniture stage, but I do stop him from throwing toys and slamming his bottom on the ground. I will NOT stop him from playing. And I will not strap him down in a highchair so the neighbors don&#039;t freak out. 

Our downstairs neighbor is an older handicapped man. Our landlord even told us that he is a bitter man that makes complaints on every little problem he sees. He literally stands with a broom and waits for a noise so he can bang on our floor. God forbid a case of dr. Pepper falls over again. 

I lived in the same apartments on the middle floor, hated the occasional noise our upstairs neighbors made. So I moved to a higher one so I wouldn&#039;t have to deal with it. If you can&#039;t handle apartment living, even when the neighbors are considerate, get out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice: if you can&#8217;t understand that children will make noise, objects will fall and life will happen above you in an apartment, don&#8217;t live in one. Or pick an upstairs apartment yourself. Children are not banned from upstairs  apartments, and although coming courtesy should be for the parents to prevent the child from acting wild, downstairs neighbors have to understand that there will be little excited footsteps running around, and the child might fall down sometimes.</p>
<p>I have a 17 month old. I take him outside to play often, he is not at the jumping off of furniture stage, but I do stop him from throwing toys and slamming his bottom on the ground. I will NOT stop him from playing. And I will not strap him down in a highchair so the neighbors don&#8217;t freak out. </p>
<p>Our downstairs neighbor is an older handicapped man. Our landlord even told us that he is a bitter man that makes complaints on every little problem he sees. He literally stands with a broom and waits for a noise so he can bang on our floor. God forbid a case of dr. Pepper falls over again. </p>
<p>I lived in the same apartments on the middle floor, hated the occasional noise our upstairs neighbors made. So I moved to a higher one so I wouldn&#8217;t have to deal with it. If you can&#8217;t handle apartment living, even when the neighbors are considerate, get out.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My advice - don&#039;t move to an apartment where your children could potentially cause problems for other people living in the building. This is possible by waiting until you can afford a home to have a child, living in family friendly buildings, renting newer or more sound-proof apartments, purchasing additional floor rugs or foam, or renting on the bottom floor.

I chose not to have children, for a reason. I should not have to endure the consequences of having children because other people chose to do so. I don&#039;t smoke pot, have house parties, blast music at 4:00 am etc - and if that were my choice I certainly wouldn&#039;t expect others to accept my lifestyle. Parents often fail to realize that children are JUST as distracting and it is unfair to label people who get frustred as &quot;exagerating the problem&quot;. We may have made noise as children, and I would hope that my parents took measures (as above) - but I do not have children and therefore should not have to live with the consequences of having one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice &#8211; don&#8217;t move to an apartment where your children could potentially cause problems for other people living in the building. This is possible by waiting until you can afford a home to have a child, living in family friendly buildings, renting newer or more sound-proof apartments, purchasing additional floor rugs or foam, or renting on the bottom floor.</p>
<p>I chose not to have children, for a reason. I should not have to endure the consequences of having children because other people chose to do so. I don&#8217;t smoke pot, have house parties, blast music at 4:00 am etc &#8211; and if that were my choice I certainly wouldn&#8217;t expect others to accept my lifestyle. Parents often fail to realize that children are JUST as distracting and it is unfair to label people who get frustred as &#8220;exagerating the problem&#8221;. We may have made noise as children, and I would hope that my parents took measures (as above) &#8211; but I do not have children and therefore should not have to live with the consequences of having one.</p>
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