Childfree – I want a Child and That’s all That Matters…

by Britgirl on November 11, 2009

Does the fact that someone is childfree merit such a lack of respect between partners? I’m thinking especially of this thread On Men, Kidults and Not wanting kids where, among other things we’ve read how somehow wanting a child seems to be more important than anything else, certainly more important than the other partner and the relationship.

And first, thanks to Josh and everyone else who has contributed and shared on that thread – and of course on all the others.

The complete acquiescence to having a child, even if you’ve been quite clear about the fact you don’t want any, is seen as “growing up”, “being normal”, “being right” and “being sensible.” That means, as we have seen in both Josh’s story and and Lisa’s contribution that in a relationship where one partner wants kids, the other partner’s views become irrelevant.  Why? Suddenly one partner is put on the defensive, having to defend why they are childfree and that changing that would be a bad thing to their own partner!  This is the same partner who knew all along that being childfree was part of the other partner’s personality and will, yet still dismissed that as being less important than the fact that she (I am using she in this case since the original post was about men) wants a child.

In other words, they thought the partner would change their mind (read – I never really took you seriously about being childfree) or that they would change their minds for them (read – my wanting a child is more important than  what you want). Then there is the clear message – “having a child is, to me, more important than our relationship.”

So what exactly does this mean? To me it means the woman is saying to the man that having a child is more important than everything we’ve built, more important than being childfree and comes before everything else. Including respect. The husband has to be careful not to end up with a child regardless, by way of being oopsed. Some men will give in, either worn out by the constant pressure or maybe even believing that perhaps it won’t be as bad as they’d thought… and maybe they were being selfish, etc, etc. It’s hard when everyone you know, even those close to you thinks the complete opposite of childfree.

I wonder, with that kind of pressure (and you can read all the conversation in the thread) what kind of values would be passed on to the child? I’m sure that respect for others would be at the top of the list, but when you’ve pressured someone else into doing something which clearly isn’t in their best interests, how can you teach respect? Some women  will say that  they can’t help wanting a child, and that not wanting one isn’t normal. Having kids is “what you do”… isn’t it? Will they then encourage their own kids to put pressure on their partners to get what they want? To ignore their partners in the quest to have a child?

We have no idea how many relationships break up because suddenly one partner decides they can change the childfree person’s mind about having kids. Although it’s a sad thing I am happy that Josh and everyone else who is going through a rough time has taken the time to share… and that at lease they know they are not as crazy as their partners would have them believe. It goes without saying that I am grateful I am not faced with such a painful choice –  relationship and being true to oneself or children (as we know it never stops at one child). We both respected each other’s choice and I don’t expect that to change

Putting up with “oh you’ll change your mind” and the lack of respect from strangers is one thing. Having to endure it from a spouse is something else entirely.

Your thoughts?

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{ 76 comments… read them below or add one }

Dorian Gray November 29, 2009 at 8:23 am

Mama C states: “As plenty of CF posters have already noted, without children, either party is free to walk out the door at any given time, “marriage” or no “marriage.” It’s almost purely a personal matter at that point. Aside from the couple, there are no other real stakeholders.”

In the UK at least, if I recall correctly, the divorce/separation rate is far, far higher amongst those with children than it is those without them.

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Mia December 9, 2009 at 12:46 am

If one partner really, really, really wants/needs a child and the other partner only moderately does not want a child – then the partner that wants a child should be the one that “wins”. If one partner wants something with their whole heart and the other partner wants something else but not quite with their whole heart, then it would be a great act of love for the partner who wants Y to support the partner that wants X even more (whether or not the most certain partner is the one that wants the children).

If I married someone who had the opposite idea about kids to me it would be almost impossible for me to stay married to him. It is so FUNDAMENTAL to most people whether or not they have children. It’s hard to believe people make the decision to marry somebody without first finding out whether their partner wants children or not!

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Britgirl December 9, 2009 at 1:13 am

“…and the other partner only moderately does not want a child – then the partner that wants a child should be the one that “wins”.
Wins implies some one loses. They lose the right not to have a child if they don’t want one. A relationship isn’t “you win, I lose” it should be “we both win.” One does not “need” a child, one “wants” a child… there is a difference. But you are correct in that failing to discuss a deal breaker like having children is a disaster waiting to happen. That does not account for those who did discuss it, but where one always thought they could change the other’s mind… not very respectful in my opinion. And part of the reason some never discuss it is that most simply assume the other wants kids… because that’s the societal message and if they don’t they can be “oopsed” into it and be brought round that way.

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Zalary December 29, 2009 at 4:26 pm

My problem with this argument is that the person who wants the kid should ‘win’ doesn’t consider the part where this is a life-long commitment, with HUGE implications. This is not a discussion about a house,a CAR, or even a puppy. If the partner who moderately “doesn’t really want one” gives in, they are giving into years of diaper changes, midnight feedings, financial responsibility, a complete change in lifestyle. I don’t think you can argue for any sort of compromise/ ‘act of love’ in this situation.

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Soldatka January 3, 2010 at 8:56 am

Absolutely. And the child loses, because they are born with a parent that doesn’t really want them to be there. No matter how hard that person tries not to show it and to do their best for the kid, the child will still pick up on it.

One yes plus one no should equal NO.

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Josh March 15, 2010 at 2:00 pm

Just thought I’d post an update to my story. While it’s been rough and we’ve come close to divorcing more than once, we’re still together and things seem to be working out for now. I also had a vasectomy this last Friday, with at least a partial blessing from her as she desperately wanted off birth control, so we definitely will not be having any kids. Time will tell if she is able to deal with that in the long run.

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Britgirl March 21, 2010 at 1:21 pm

Josh – thanks for sharing this. I’ve been wondering how you’ve been getting on. I am happy to hear things seem to be working out… wishing you all the very best. BG.

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