Mrs Ogre thats where you have it wrong. The “idiots” don’t seem to appear to need any help reproducing, they all seem to get knocked up with ease time after time.

Either you don’t have children or you’ve never struggled with infertility because your last lines are just so cold and perhaps shows that you dont have a beating heart in your chest….

“If nature decided you can’t have them naturally, do something else. It’s not a disease. You will not die. You simply just won’t get what you want, and because you can’t have it, you cry, just like a child. Really mature.”

Adoption is not as easy as Angelina Jolie makes it look. We can’t afford to adopt (cost of up to $50 000) and by the time the time frame is over, DH would be too old for us to qualify, so NO adoption is NOT the answer to Infertility.

We claim nothing from the government and never have but would we appreciate a bit of help in trying to have a child of our own, fuck yes…after all we pay our taxes so why the hell not?

I count my blessings everyday for my wonderful soulmate but that doesn’t make up for my overwhelming desire to become a Mother and not being able to (I’ve suffered multiple miscarriages), especially when you see crack addicts and 15 year old girls have babies and not really care about them.

If infertility is natures form of population control how come the weak and crappy DNA carrying people of the world are the ones that find it so easy to get knocked up and manage to produce and produce? Isn’t it natures way for the strong to survive, so therefore shouldn’t they be the ones getting pregnant?

we’re not producing designer babies, and we’re not solving the procrastinator’s problems for them. we’re allowing couples to fulfill their right to reproduce. and when it’s personally funded, we’re only helping the have’s… which if you ask me, is unfair.

your choice to remain childless is your own.

your tax money goes to pay for things you don’t agree with EVERY DAY… vegetarians pay for safe meat inspection; peace-loving canadians pay for the armed forces’ involvement in wars overseas… etc. etc.

in fact, taxpayers foot the bill for your visits to your doctor for birth control so that you do NOT procreate. and we might well pay for an abortion a woman chooses to have so that she does not have a baby. why shouldn’t we put our monies into those who DO want to have a family as well?

fair is fair.

we’re not producing designer babies, and we’re not solving the procrastinator’s problems for them. we’re allowing couples to fulfill their right to reproduce. and when it’s personally funded, we’re only helping the have’s… which if you ask me, is unfair.

your choice to remain childless is your own.

your tax money goes to pay for things you don’t agree with EVERY DAY… vegetarians pay for safe meat inspection; peace-loving canadians pay for the armed forces’ involvement in wars overseas… etc. etc.

in fact, taxpayers foot the bill for your visits to your doctor for birth control so that you do NOT procreate. and we might well pay for an abortion a woman chooses to have so that she does not have a baby. why shouldn’t we put our monies into those who DO want to become have a family as well?

fair is fair.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1912197,00.html

I am an environmentalist and read a fair amount of research from the leading groups and litigators and it is downright horrifying how much pollution affects overall health. The fact that it affects cognitive abilities in newborns is something everyone should be paying attention to. Or more precisely, perhaps that is what it takes for people to pay attention.

I was sort of being facetious re: the politicians–though it’s obvious they pander to groups they think they can outsmart. In any case, if you are an average person on the bell curve and your IQ drops 4, 5 or more points it can affect your quality of life. I recently attended a conference where Robert Kennedy Jr was a keynote speaker. He is representing poor communities in Appalachia who are affected by run-off from mountain top coal removal. Who better to exploit than than the poverty stricken. What gets dumped into their water supply in the process of extracting “clean coal” would make your hair curl–or more likely, fall out. Kennedy himself, who lives upstate in New York, was tested to have such a high level of mercury in his system–(just from breathing the air and drinking the water) that if he were a woman and became pregnant his child would be at risk for having a minimum IQ reduction of 7 pts. I know that there was a study done by a researcher at Mt. Sinai showing a strong causal link between pollution and autism. Everyone wants to do what they do and live how they want to live but we don’t all operate in a vacuum and eventually our self-serving actions come back to haunt us–clearly they already have. I think Americans in general tend to think less of their fellow citizens and more about how they are going to get their individual needs met. I’m all for more community and less competition.

Indiana, huh?! Former Ohio gal here! Let’s hear it for the rust belt.

Sorry, BG–seriously off-topic here, just wanted to share the pollution link. Maybe it will provide some future parents with some perspective.

Heh, I was just talking about a government maintaining its tax-base, but I see your point. With a few exceptions, I think if a country’s population’s IQ is put to a bell curve, it’ll still be consistent; but wow, you’re right, you have to wonder if the stuff we’re consuming is really that good for us. For a time, I grew up in a small farming community in Indiana. It was a joke the only reason anyone outside the county knows about the town was because the Environmental Protection Agency knew how big a problem pesticides were there.

At any rate, overpopulation is a huge contributor to global pollution.

As for health care costs in the U.S. (our current political nightmare), I wanted to share that Blue Cross Blue Shield, one of our biggest insurers, covers 100% of tubal ligation costs. At least in my state. And that’s one of the major problems with our system: radically different rules and regs by region, not enough competition, and outrageous administrative costs in trying to figure it all out.

My personal take on infertility: If nature is refusing to facilitate conception, it’s for a reason. Take a hint and move on.

Thanks guys, keep up the good work and discussion!