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	<title>Comments on: Childfree &#8211; On the Outside Looking In?</title>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2010/05/01/childfree-on-the-outside-looking-in/comment-page-1/#comment-18282</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 01:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really resonate with your comments. I myself can not conceive and have known so for...well since I was about 16. Most people don&#039;t know, and I don&#039;t make a point to tell people, so to be immersed in this baby/pregnancy obsessed culture is a daily battle in self control to not just ...go off on everyone who talks incessantly about being pregnant or having kids. First time mothers-to-be are the hardest to deal with. I get so tired of it, and my depleting friends and the fact that I am not invited to baby showers or included in on anything is hurtful.

I&#039;ve come to enjoy  my childfree life, and the majority of the time I enjoy it FAR more than I would enjoy parenthood. People just make it unbearable with their BS and condescending comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really resonate with your comments. I myself can not conceive and have known so for&#8230;well since I was about 16. Most people don&#8217;t know, and I don&#8217;t make a point to tell people, so to be immersed in this baby/pregnancy obsessed culture is a daily battle in self control to not just &#8230;go off on everyone who talks incessantly about being pregnant or having kids. First time mothers-to-be are the hardest to deal with. I get so tired of it, and my depleting friends and the fact that I am not invited to baby showers or included in on anything is hurtful.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve come to enjoy  my childfree life, and the majority of the time I enjoy it FAR more than I would enjoy parenthood. People just make it unbearable with their BS and condescending comments.</p>
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		<title>By: og217</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2010/05/01/childfree-on-the-outside-looking-in/comment-page-1/#comment-18270</link>
		<dc:creator>og217</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 06:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, the older I am, the more I resent and despise being inconvenienced.  10 years ago I lived in a 4th floor walk up with no dishwasher and commuted over an hour each way to work.  And it was fine.  Now, my dishwasher breaks down and the cleaning lady calls in sick and I am hyperventilating.  I think as we get more and more successful and acquire more and more comfort, the prospect of children - the mess, the screeching, the way less money prospects really seem a world away and very undesireable.  In my old crappy apartment with a messy roommate, unhousebroken dog and cockroaches, a screeching child really would not have disturbed me or threw me off nearly as much as now.  Then, all I did was stuff I didn&#039;t want to  do - awful job, bad commute, a string of stupid boyfriends,  schlepping 6 blocks to a laundromat, the aforementioned roaches.  What&#039;s a few diapers?  It would have all been in a day&#039;s work.  Now, I have a beautiful home, expensive furniture and clothes, a good job, a great husband.  a child would be like a handgrenade in my serene, beautiful little world.  Maybe thats why as people get older, they are less and less likely to want a kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, the older I am, the more I resent and despise being inconvenienced.  10 years ago I lived in a 4th floor walk up with no dishwasher and commuted over an hour each way to work.  And it was fine.  Now, my dishwasher breaks down and the cleaning lady calls in sick and I am hyperventilating.  I think as we get more and more successful and acquire more and more comfort, the prospect of children &#8211; the mess, the screeching, the way less money prospects really seem a world away and very undesireable.  In my old crappy apartment with a messy roommate, unhousebroken dog and cockroaches, a screeching child really would not have disturbed me or threw me off nearly as much as now.  Then, all I did was stuff I didn&#8217;t want to  do &#8211; awful job, bad commute, a string of stupid boyfriends,  schlepping 6 blocks to a laundromat, the aforementioned roaches.  What&#8217;s a few diapers?  It would have all been in a day&#8217;s work.  Now, I have a beautiful home, expensive furniture and clothes, a good job, a great husband.  a child would be like a handgrenade in my serene, beautiful little world.  Maybe thats why as people get older, they are less and less likely to want a kid.</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2010/05/01/childfree-on-the-outside-looking-in/comment-page-1/#comment-18269</link>
		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 02:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your kind words, Sean. She really is a dream come true - patient, funny, practical and sweet- all I could ever hope for and definitely better than I deserve. I want her to be happy, but that seems to come to her naturally. I have to work on it, but I&#039;m up to the task. It&#039;s my goal in life to be there for her no matter what happens - children or not. She&#039;s from another country and has opened up a whole new world to me. I&#039;m looking forward to growing old with her and having a bunch of crazy adventures in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your kind words, Sean. She really is a dream come true &#8211; patient, funny, practical and sweet- all I could ever hope for and definitely better than I deserve. I want her to be happy, but that seems to come to her naturally. I have to work on it, but I&#8217;m up to the task. It&#8217;s my goal in life to be there for her no matter what happens &#8211; children or not. She&#8217;s from another country and has opened up a whole new world to me. I&#8217;m looking forward to growing old with her and having a bunch of crazy adventures in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 00:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi -- Author of Families of Two here..I enjoy your blog and thoughts on the childfree life!  I have to agree that being accepted is an uphill battle, and not for the faint hearted. But so many people who make the choice value their freedom and independence that it does not get to them So much such that they change their minds or let it influence them to live their lives in a way that does not feel right.  Having said that, I find that it is hard for lots of childfree to feel they live in the tributaries of society.  That is why blogs like yours need to continue, and more that has to keep getting out there about us and our choice. Education about parenthood is an Option is sorely needed, and with a pronatalist society is just not valued these days. But that does not mean it can&#039;t be--great strides were taken in the late 70s and early 80s on this score, including education in the schools, and we need to bring it back.  We need to keep chipping away at why pronatalist values just don&#039;t work. At least that is what I try to work on..to go to the source--our value system.  It needs to finally get to a point of embracing full reproductive freedom--not just the power to choose when to have kids, but equally valuing the choice to not have them at all.  The more childfre get out there and talk about their lives, the better. 
I also see more 20 somethings out there who seem to be intent on not having kids these days, and would like to do a longitudinal study on this...if you are 20 something and are interested in particpating,  go to by blog and contact me ! http://lauracarroll.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8212; Author of Families of Two here..I enjoy your blog and thoughts on the childfree life!  I have to agree that being accepted is an uphill battle, and not for the faint hearted. But so many people who make the choice value their freedom and independence that it does not get to them So much such that they change their minds or let it influence them to live their lives in a way that does not feel right.  Having said that, I find that it is hard for lots of childfree to feel they live in the tributaries of society.  That is why blogs like yours need to continue, and more that has to keep getting out there about us and our choice. Education about parenthood is an Option is sorely needed, and with a pronatalist society is just not valued these days. But that does not mean it can&#8217;t be&#8211;great strides were taken in the late 70s and early 80s on this score, including education in the schools, and we need to bring it back.  We need to keep chipping away at why pronatalist values just don&#8217;t work. At least that is what I try to work on..to go to the source&#8211;our value system.  It needs to finally get to a point of embracing full reproductive freedom&#8211;not just the power to choose when to have kids, but equally valuing the choice to not have them at all.  The more childfre get out there and talk about their lives, the better.<br />
I also see more 20 somethings out there who seem to be intent on not having kids these days, and would like to do a longitudinal study on this&#8230;if you are 20 something and are interested in particpating,  go to by blog and contact me ! <a href="http://lauracarroll.com">http://lauracarroll.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
		<link>http://thebritgirl.com/2010/05/01/childfree-on-the-outside-looking-in/comment-page-1/#comment-18264</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 05:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would lose myself completely if I had a child. That terrifies me.&quot; &lt;--- Agreed, a hundred times over.  I just don&#039;t see how tending to an endlessly needy child would help me to grow as a person, or substantially contribute to the quality of my life. I, too, feel I have a dynamic and examined life - one that would be stultified by the mind-numbing repetitiveness of enslaving myself to the task of raising children.

Your observation about parents and grandparents being abandoned couldn&#039;t ring truer.  Parents are in absolute denial about this; they assume with such pathetic wholeheartedness that their children will be there to take care of them in their dotage.  Idealistic much?  I see, time and again, families whose elders are left out to dry.  Kids get more self-involved every generation, and families seem to grown more pathological and dysfunctional all the time.  Technology and social networking are supposed to bring us closer...but all I see is an outlet for narcissism and megalomania.  I don&#039;t know a single person who&#039;s actively involved in their elder parents&#039; life.  It&#039;s endlessly naive for today&#039;s parents to assume it will be different for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would lose myself completely if I had a child. That terrifies me.&#8221; &lt;&#8212; Agreed, a hundred times over.  I just don&#039;t see how tending to an endlessly needy child would help me to grow as a person, or substantially contribute to the quality of my life. I, too, feel I have a dynamic and examined life &#8211; one that would be stultified by the mind-numbing repetitiveness of enslaving myself to the task of raising children.</p>
<p>Your observation about parents and grandparents being abandoned couldn&#039;t ring truer.  Parents are in absolute denial about this; they assume with such pathetic wholeheartedness that their children will be there to take care of them in their dotage.  Idealistic much?  I see, time and again, families whose elders are left out to dry.  Kids get more self-involved every generation, and families seem to grown more pathological and dysfunctional all the time.  Technology and social networking are supposed to bring us closer&#8230;but all I see is an outlet for narcissism and megalomania.  I don&#039;t know a single person who&#039;s actively involved in their elder parents&#039; life.  It&#039;s endlessly naive for today&#039;s parents to assume it will be different for them.</p>
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		<title>By: tiff passionart</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiff passionart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 02:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thankyou &#039;all&#039; for the replys. To actually give myself the Ok to be unsure is a great way to look at it. Sometimes the continuous thinking is making me so tired plus lack of libido in general. Obviously it is important to create a clearing for our truth to come forth. Its not fair for either parties to live in ambiguity. My husband is a few years younger then me and he is very clear on wanting kids. I would like to think he may let go with the idea to be supportive of me and what naturally comes our way but deep down I feel he is sad by the thought of not being a dad.  I will keep posted to this website as its great to know that clarity on a decision brings freedom and happiness as well. tif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thankyou &#8216;all&#8217; for the replys. To actually give myself the Ok to be unsure is a great way to look at it. Sometimes the continuous thinking is making me so tired plus lack of libido in general. Obviously it is important to create a clearing for our truth to come forth. Its not fair for either parties to live in ambiguity. My husband is a few years younger then me and he is very clear on wanting kids. I would like to think he may let go with the idea to be supportive of me and what naturally comes our way but deep down I feel he is sad by the thought of not being a dad.  I will keep posted to this website as its great to know that clarity on a decision brings freedom and happiness as well. tif</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 00:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you like it :)

The CF Glossary at Happily CF makes this kind of shorthand easy:

http://www.happilychildfree.com/lingo.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you like it <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The CF Glossary at Happily CF makes this kind of shorthand easy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.happilychildfree.com/lingo.htm">http://www.happilychildfree.com/lingo.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 20:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is sometimes deceptive to get caught in looking at life from the outside in.  The Kodak moments, the little scenarios of an idyllic life we create in our heads.  Seldom is the reality like that.  The main thing is to focus on your own life and be happy with your decisions because as the cliche goes there is no dress rehearsal for this life.  Live it fully and seek out those things which make your life richer.  It is much too short to live with regret, envy or wondering if the grass is greener on the other side.  Thank you Britgirl for such an insightful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sometimes deceptive to get caught in looking at life from the outside in.  The Kodak moments, the little scenarios of an idyllic life we create in our heads.  Seldom is the reality like that.  The main thing is to focus on your own life and be happy with your decisions because as the cliche goes there is no dress rehearsal for this life.  Live it fully and seek out those things which make your life richer.  It is much too short to live with regret, envy or wondering if the grass is greener on the other side.  Thank you Britgirl for such an insightful post.</p>
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		<title>By: Britgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 16:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take the pressure off yourself Tiff. Stop worrying about why you are unsure and just accept that you are unsure. It is pefectly ok to not go ga-ga over kids (despite what most would have you believe) It would be great if more people were honest about the fact that they themselves were unsure --but had kids anyway ignoring their real feelings because of subtle or overt pressure. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take the pressure off yourself Tiff. Stop worrying about why you are unsure and just accept that you are unsure. It is pefectly ok to not go ga-ga over kids (despite what most would have you believe) It would be great if more people were honest about the fact that they themselves were unsure &#8211;but had kids anyway ignoring their real feelings because of subtle or overt pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 11:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, man, you certainly have my admiration.  Adapting and overcoming, becoming stronger as a result.  It&#039;s great you have such a healthy (and from the tone of your posts, vibrant) relationship with your wife.  Not giving in to uncertainty and drowning in sadness, you two probably have the best kind of relationship most people dream of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, man, you certainly have my admiration.  Adapting and overcoming, becoming stronger as a result.  It&#8217;s great you have such a healthy (and from the tone of your posts, vibrant) relationship with your wife.  Not giving in to uncertainty and drowning in sadness, you two probably have the best kind of relationship most people dream of.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 11:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even in old age. I mean, having 6 kids and then 2 of them precede you in death, 3 of them ignore you and you have *1* kid, 1 out of 6 who even gives a fuck.&quot;

Yeah...I had two uncles die within five years of each other; both were from different types of cancer.  My grandmother, ever the endearing Christian, said it was &quot;God&#039;s will&quot; and that cancer ran in the family; then left it at that.  Whether it be her way of dealing with the pain or something else entirely, both men were hillbilly pharmacologists whose lifespans certainly weren&#039;t enhanced by illegal pharmaceuticals.

&quot;Crotchfruit,&quot; heh, I&#039;ll have to remember that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even in old age. I mean, having 6 kids and then 2 of them precede you in death, 3 of them ignore you and you have *1* kid, 1 out of 6 who even gives a fuck.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230;I had two uncles die within five years of each other; both were from different types of cancer.  My grandmother, ever the endearing Christian, said it was &#8220;God&#8217;s will&#8221; and that cancer ran in the family; then left it at that.  Whether it be her way of dealing with the pain or something else entirely, both men were hillbilly pharmacologists whose lifespans certainly weren&#8217;t enhanced by illegal pharmaceuticals.</p>
<p>&#8220;Crotchfruit,&#8221; heh, I&#8217;ll have to remember that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 11:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whether you want a child or not, you really don’t have a lot of control of the situation.&quot;

The pharmaceutical industry(-ies?), not to mention the past forty years, would likely disagree with you there.   Especially if one were American with a certain bent for religious zealotry, the whole idea of contraceptives and (especially) abortion brings about a lot of grief.  Moreover, it ultimately comes down to the decision of the woman whether to carry the child.

That being said, trying to &quot;force an adoption&quot; seems to be an increasingly hard option, too.  I remember reading Russia was cutting down the allowable-annual amount of foreign adoptions by a significant rate and China was making some of the same moves.  I wouldn&#039;t worry too much - unless a person&#039;s spouse had some decent cash and/or connections.  We can&#039;t all be Pitts and Jolies :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whether you want a child or not, you really don’t have a lot of control of the situation.&#8221;</p>
<p>The pharmaceutical industry(-ies?), not to mention the past forty years, would likely disagree with you there.   Especially if one were American with a certain bent for religious zealotry, the whole idea of contraceptives and (especially) abortion brings about a lot of grief.  Moreover, it ultimately comes down to the decision of the woman whether to carry the child.</p>
<p>That being said, trying to &#8220;force an adoption&#8221; seems to be an increasingly hard option, too.  I remember reading Russia was cutting down the allowable-annual amount of foreign adoptions by a significant rate and China was making some of the same moves.  I wouldn&#8217;t worry too much &#8211; unless a person&#8217;s spouse had some decent cash and/or connections.  We can&#8217;t all be Pitts and Jolies <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 23:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jealousy, huh.  Good topic BG!

I can definitely agree with what&#039;s been said so far.  Sometimes I feel so different, and yeah a little miserable.  On the CF blogs folks talk about a vibrant social life being one of the greatest things about being/remaining CF but to tell the truth I don&#039;t have a lot of friends.  Having ADHD growing up made it really hard to maintain friendships (I don&#039;t often have the patience to build them, and I have a million quirks) and then I moved across the world to a new place where I really had nobody.  I got married to a smart, interesting CF girl and we pretty much just hang out with each other 24/7.  After 5 years we&#039;re still going great but I would love to have some friends like Kristine - those too busy enjoying life to want a Mini-Me!

Anyway I think about having kids sometimes and its NO WAY, not ever a possibility.  I would never have the patience to raise them and again, I don&#039;t take it for granted that a child would accept my wild and wooly moods.  I like myself!  And call me selfish or whatever, but I&#039;ll be damned if I changed for anybody.  That may be a bingo but there is perhaps some truth to it - I am too strong of a personality to bend it for a screeching crotchfruit, even if it was my own.  Not gonna happen!  On the flipside I change when I want to change, and I feel my life is pretty dynamic.  I&#039;m not a navel-gazer but &quot;the unexamined life is not worth living&quot; and I barely have time to properly examine my life as it is.  I would lose myself completely if I had a child.  That terrifies me.

About getting old, of course we all know that it will happen someday but as I watch my grandparents get old and sick and see the scramble of my aunts and uncles [running AWAY, not helping!] I see that having kids is not all its cracked up to be.  Even in old age.  I mean, having 6 kids and then 2 of them precede you in death, 3 of them ignore you and you have *1* kid, 1 out of 6 who even gives a fuck.  Don&#039;t know about you but I don&#039;t like those odds.  One could easily pop 4 sprog and have not one left to care for you in your old age. :(  My bet is on becoming massively rich and paying people to take care of my wife and I ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jealousy, huh.  Good topic BG!</p>
<p>I can definitely agree with what&#8217;s been said so far.  Sometimes I feel so different, and yeah a little miserable.  On the CF blogs folks talk about a vibrant social life being one of the greatest things about being/remaining CF but to tell the truth I don&#8217;t have a lot of friends.  Having ADHD growing up made it really hard to maintain friendships (I don&#8217;t often have the patience to build them, and I have a million quirks) and then I moved across the world to a new place where I really had nobody.  I got married to a smart, interesting CF girl and we pretty much just hang out with each other 24/7.  After 5 years we&#8217;re still going great but I would love to have some friends like Kristine &#8211; those too busy enjoying life to want a Mini-Me!</p>
<p>Anyway I think about having kids sometimes and its NO WAY, not ever a possibility.  I would never have the patience to raise them and again, I don&#8217;t take it for granted that a child would accept my wild and wooly moods.  I like myself!  And call me selfish or whatever, but I&#8217;ll be damned if I changed for anybody.  That may be a bingo but there is perhaps some truth to it &#8211; I am too strong of a personality to bend it for a screeching crotchfruit, even if it was my own.  Not gonna happen!  On the flipside I change when I want to change, and I feel my life is pretty dynamic.  I&#8217;m not a navel-gazer but &#8220;the unexamined life is not worth living&#8221; and I barely have time to properly examine my life as it is.  I would lose myself completely if I had a child.  That terrifies me.</p>
<p>About getting old, of course we all know that it will happen someday but as I watch my grandparents get old and sick and see the scramble of my aunts and uncles [running AWAY, not helping!] I see that having kids is not all its cracked up to be.  Even in old age.  I mean, having 6 kids and then 2 of them precede you in death, 3 of them ignore you and you have *1* kid, 1 out of 6 who even gives a fuck.  Don&#8217;t know about you but I don&#8217;t like those odds.  One could easily pop 4 sprog and have not one left to care for you in your old age. <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   My bet is on becoming massively rich and paying people to take care of my wife and I <img src='http://thebritgirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 06:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiff, you&#039;re attitude of &#039;it&#039;s meant to be&#039; is refreshing and, I think, healthy. My wife and I are  in your age range and we are in a similar situation. Whether you want a child or not, you really don&#039;t have a lot of control of the situation. Nature dictates the outcome, unless you want to try and move heaven and earth and spend a fortune in the process to try and have a kid. You don&#039;t seem to be so inclined, which tells me you are smart, well-adjusted and quite mentally sound. Your husband seems to be the one who has gone off the deep end and, if that&#039;s the case, I sort of understand his feelings. He may have always assumed he&#039;d have a child someday, but never really gave the topic a lot of thought until the forecast looked grim. That&#039;s kind of what happened to me.  I always assumed I&#039;d be a father one day, but never really felt the calling to be a dad. It was something that seemed inevitable to me, so I tried to find ways to stall parenthood as long as I could.  When I dated my wife, I knew she wanted kids and she knew I didn&#039;t. I agreed that if we got married, we&#039;d try to have children even though the thought of having a kid terrified me beyond belief. One miscarriage two years ago was all we&#039;ve had and it&#039;s been a strange, bumpy ride since then but things have begun to smooth out recently. I went from being a guy who didn&#039;t want kids to being a guy who desperately wanted at least one child then back to being a guy who, while wanting his wife to be happy,  is fine if I never have a child. Maybe your husband will back off on this a bit as time passes, but maybe not. I think you will be wise and strong enough to stand your ground if he tries to force adoption. I&#039;m not against adoption at all (in fact, I think it is a wonderful act of healing for both child and adult in the right circumstances), but it is a mistake to do it unless both adults are on the same page and are willing to accept parenthood on these new terms. I hope your husband will put his love and respect for you ahead of whatever preconceived notions he has about being a parent. Having a child is not worth breaking up a marriage or trying to force someone to do something against their will and hopefully he will see that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiff, you&#8217;re attitude of &#8216;it&#8217;s meant to be&#8217; is refreshing and, I think, healthy. My wife and I are  in your age range and we are in a similar situation. Whether you want a child or not, you really don&#8217;t have a lot of control of the situation. Nature dictates the outcome, unless you want to try and move heaven and earth and spend a fortune in the process to try and have a kid. You don&#8217;t seem to be so inclined, which tells me you are smart, well-adjusted and quite mentally sound. Your husband seems to be the one who has gone off the deep end and, if that&#8217;s the case, I sort of understand his feelings. He may have always assumed he&#8217;d have a child someday, but never really gave the topic a lot of thought until the forecast looked grim. That&#8217;s kind of what happened to me.  I always assumed I&#8217;d be a father one day, but never really felt the calling to be a dad. It was something that seemed inevitable to me, so I tried to find ways to stall parenthood as long as I could.  When I dated my wife, I knew she wanted kids and she knew I didn&#8217;t. I agreed that if we got married, we&#8217;d try to have children even though the thought of having a kid terrified me beyond belief. One miscarriage two years ago was all we&#8217;ve had and it&#8217;s been a strange, bumpy ride since then but things have begun to smooth out recently. I went from being a guy who didn&#8217;t want kids to being a guy who desperately wanted at least one child then back to being a guy who, while wanting his wife to be happy,  is fine if I never have a child. Maybe your husband will back off on this a bit as time passes, but maybe not. I think you will be wise and strong enough to stand your ground if he tries to force adoption. I&#8217;m not against adoption at all (in fact, I think it is a wonderful act of healing for both child and adult in the right circumstances), but it is a mistake to do it unless both adults are on the same page and are willing to accept parenthood on these new terms. I hope your husband will put his love and respect for you ahead of whatever preconceived notions he has about being a parent. Having a child is not worth breaking up a marriage or trying to force someone to do something against their will and hopefully he will see that.</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 06:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kat. Life has so much to offer and my wife and I are fortunate enough to have a lot going for us. The more I focus on the getting on with the business of living life, the less I think about our fertility situation. I&#039;m a lot happier as a result. This blog has been instrumental in helping me sort out my thoughts and feelings in a positive manner and I really appreciate that. Can&#039;t say it enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kat. Life has so much to offer and my wife and I are fortunate enough to have a lot going for us. The more I focus on the getting on with the business of living life, the less I think about our fertility situation. I&#8217;m a lot happier as a result. This blog has been instrumental in helping me sort out my thoughts and feelings in a positive manner and I really appreciate that. Can&#8217;t say it enough.</p>
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		<title>By: tiff passionart</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiff passionart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 04:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow... Im so glad to express my thoughts as Im in the middle of a major cross road. Not sure what to do as Im one of the &#039;no maternal instinct types. I am 40 recently married. My partner and I discussed the idea of having a child. I have always stated that if its meant to be it will happen naturally and I will adapt and enjoy so forth.. He is pressuring for an out come and Im starting to question if it is what I want. I refuse to go down IVF and I have had a miscarriage 4years ago. When we married he said he is with me with or without kids... now we are married he says if we cant have our own then we adopt. I feel panicked by the whole thing. If I dont want kids then I have to leave my relationship. I know my life will be still great either way but I just cant work out why I feel so unsure...I am an only child and love animals.. could this be the making of a woman who doesnt go ga ga for babies? Im also a very satisfied artist/creative type. Sometimes I wonder is it the fear of the unknown or just a 40 year woman too use to being without kids in her world. thanks for this web site .. Its great to here other situations . tiff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230; Im so glad to express my thoughts as Im in the middle of a major cross road. Not sure what to do as Im one of the &#8216;no maternal instinct types. I am 40 recently married. My partner and I discussed the idea of having a child. I have always stated that if its meant to be it will happen naturally and I will adapt and enjoy so forth.. He is pressuring for an out come and Im starting to question if it is what I want. I refuse to go down IVF and I have had a miscarriage 4years ago. When we married he said he is with me with or without kids&#8230; now we are married he says if we cant have our own then we adopt. I feel panicked by the whole thing. If I dont want kids then I have to leave my relationship. I know my life will be still great either way but I just cant work out why I feel so unsure&#8230;I am an only child and love animals.. could this be the making of a woman who doesnt go ga ga for babies? Im also a very satisfied artist/creative type. Sometimes I wonder is it the fear of the unknown or just a 40 year woman too use to being without kids in her world. thanks for this web site .. Its great to here other situations . tiff</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here. I&#039;ve lucked in to having a lot of CF friends, but there are still times when I have to do things by myself, or not at all. So I&#039;ve developed a liking for doing things by myself.

I&#039;ve never felt any attraction for parenthood, but after having a few relationships break up over the issue, your rally do start to question why you don&#039;t want the things that everyone else wants. The whole not-fitting-in thing is really unsettling - it&#039;s a basic human desire, I think. We all want to feel like part of the group. But for me, in the case of parenthood, the cost of my own happiness is simply too high.

SG, I wish you and your wife luck. Thank you for your posts. It&#039;s wonderful to hear from someone who has accepted the infertility setback with grace, and looked to the positives in their life instead of wallowing in denial and unhappiness. I hope life gives you back in return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here. I&#8217;ve lucked in to having a lot of CF friends, but there are still times when I have to do things by myself, or not at all. So I&#8217;ve developed a liking for doing things by myself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never felt any attraction for parenthood, but after having a few relationships break up over the issue, your rally do start to question why you don&#8217;t want the things that everyone else wants. The whole not-fitting-in thing is really unsettling &#8211; it&#8217;s a basic human desire, I think. We all want to feel like part of the group. But for me, in the case of parenthood, the cost of my own happiness is simply too high.</p>
<p>SG, I wish you and your wife luck. Thank you for your posts. It&#8217;s wonderful to hear from someone who has accepted the infertility setback with grace, and looked to the positives in their life instead of wallowing in denial and unhappiness. I hope life gives you back in return.</p>
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		<title>By: og217</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 12:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DEAR MARGO: Usually it is families complaining that a grandma is not a good grandma because she is not &quot;there&quot; for the grandchildren. Well, Grandma is not the self-absorbed one. Grandchildren are. A recent news report suggested that this younger generation is made up of more narcissists than any other era! I have eight grandchildren from ages 5 to 24, both boys and girls. They are never available even though they all live within a 15-minute drive from me. I knew they didn&#039;t like to call so I learned e-mail to accommodate them. They don&#039;t e-mail back. They like gifts but hate thank-you notes. I travel eight hours one way to visit them at college for their honor programs and games, but when they are in town, they don&#039;t even pick up the phone to say hello. When I go to their homes to visit, they don&#039;t even offer a greeting -- they just retreat to their rooms. The little one I only see when they need a babysitter. Grandparents have become obsolete. I, for one, have found another hobby. 


--- OBSOLETE?

DEAR OB: It sounds like you have bent over backward trying to be an active, caring grandma, and for whatever reason, your gang has not taken you up on it (excepting the we-need-a-babysitter part). Somehow your children have not passed on to their kids the value of having grandparents. It is their loss. I concur that it&#039;s time to stop knocking yourself out. Let us hope, and it is a real possibility, that when they&#039;re a little older, they will appreciate you, and then you will become a born-again granny. 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DEAR MARGO: Usually it is families complaining that a grandma is not a good grandma because she is not &#8220;there&#8221; for the grandchildren. Well, Grandma is not the self-absorbed one. Grandchildren are. A recent news report suggested that this younger generation is made up of more narcissists than any other era! I have eight grandchildren from ages 5 to 24, both boys and girls. They are never available even though they all live within a 15-minute drive from me. I knew they didn&#8217;t like to call so I learned e-mail to accommodate them. They don&#8217;t e-mail back. They like gifts but hate thank-you notes. I travel eight hours one way to visit them at college for their honor programs and games, but when they are in town, they don&#8217;t even pick up the phone to say hello. When I go to their homes to visit, they don&#8217;t even offer a greeting &#8212; they just retreat to their rooms. The little one I only see when they need a babysitter. Grandparents have become obsolete. I, for one, have found another hobby. </p>
<p>&#8212; OBSOLETE?</p>
<p>DEAR OB: It sounds like you have bent over backward trying to be an active, caring grandma, and for whatever reason, your gang has not taken you up on it (excepting the we-need-a-babysitter part). Somehow your children have not passed on to their kids the value of having grandparents. It is their loss. I concur that it&#8217;s time to stop knocking yourself out. Let us hope, and it is a real possibility, that when they&#8217;re a little older, they will appreciate you, and then you will become a born-again granny. </p>
<p>&#8212; MARGO, YIELDINGLY</p>
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		<title>By: Hillari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 21:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;I want a Mini-Me!&quot; thing that a lot of people have has always been disturbing to me.  It does not speak to wanting the best for a child, but it does say a lot about the big egos some people have.  It&#039;s also another indication of someone who has put very little thought into having a child.

I&#039;m currently surrounded by four women I know who are pregnant, and the pre-baby talk is hard to avoid.  I know it&#039;ll only get worse once the kids arrive.  I&#039;m steeling myself for the onslaught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;I want a Mini-Me!&#8221; thing that a lot of people have has always been disturbing to me.  It does not speak to wanting the best for a child, but it does say a lot about the big egos some people have.  It&#8217;s also another indication of someone who has put very little thought into having a child.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently surrounded by four women I know who are pregnant, and the pre-baby talk is hard to avoid.  I know it&#8217;ll only get worse once the kids arrive.  I&#8217;m steeling myself for the onslaught.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 19:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never went looking for child-free friends, but alas, they are exactly who I ended up with. I guess over the years they were the ones I found most interesting...they were in grad school, or starting non-profits, or trekking the globe. They were never the ones in a desperate search for the daddy. Now, in our 30s and 40s, we&#039;re all still content with the choice. We have lives full of things we love, not piles of toys, tons of resentment, empty bank accounts, or constant worry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never went looking for child-free friends, but alas, they are exactly who I ended up with. I guess over the years they were the ones I found most interesting&#8230;they were in grad school, or starting non-profits, or trekking the globe. They were never the ones in a desperate search for the daddy. Now, in our 30s and 40s, we&#8217;re all still content with the choice. We have lives full of things we love, not piles of toys, tons of resentment, empty bank accounts, or constant worry.</p>
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